Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hartiberlin]

To All, who have a Window motor already,
but can?t get it yet to run.

Did you try out yet to manually switch
the L2 to L3 connection ?

What will happen then ?
Does it give the rotor a kick
or does it stall the rotor ?

Please post the results of this test.

Maybe Dom or Ossi can do this test quickly and
let us know.

I think the Hall IC and SS-Relay can be very easily
substituted by something much simpler, like a reed
switch which can just be placed near the main rotor
and be closed by the main magnets.

This will also not use up any power from the cap.

Please everybody try this out and let us know,
what will happen.

Many thanks in adance.

Best regards, Stefan.

[boxofsparks]

Hi Stefan,
Just thought of something that may have been forgotten.
Any motor or generator ac/dc.....needs to seek its magnetic
center.....ie the shaft does float, very little but the bearings being used
could keep the shaft located out of Mag center.  This will drasticaly effect
outputs of gen and amp draw of motors.
Just a thought
Regards
Jon

[hartiberlin]

John_Bedini wrote:

The answer.
ss relay puts the main winding in series with the third winding at the correct time, take into account the rectifier diode in between them. I belive it is working at or near unity.I know that the third winding charges the cap.("" and I think somthing coming through the ss relay helps this charge)

Hi John,
you are absolutely right.

This was it, what I called dL/dt !
Through the SS-Relay you change the total inductance
of the whole system,
when the 2 coils are connected at the right time.

So that is very important, that somebody, who has this motor
now tries to make this test, what is going to happen,
when you manually switch L2 to L3 at the right time.
Will it kick the rotor ?
What will the cap voltage do ?


Hope somebody can do this test and post the results.
Would be good if you could also post a scopeshot.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[MeggerMan]

Hi Stefan,
I am convinced Mike made a mix-up between unipolar and bipolar, like you say unipolar is the only one that makes sense otherwise you need either pairs of magnets on the rotor or a reverse pole magnet on the other side of the sensor.

Hi all,

Lots more testing tonight with a unipolar hall switch and ss relay. The small neo disks have a very concentrated field so it looks like as long as the small neos are 10mm inside the main magnets inner diameter then there will not be a problem.

Test: hall switch (Allegro A1101)connected to the ss relay(Crouzet 84131100), powered by a variable voltage bench supply. Test magnet is a 5mm x 3mm N40 disk neodymium.

Supply voltage was started at 2.8V and run up to 8.0V in 0.5V steps. Disk magnet needed to be less than 8mm from the IC to trigger it.

2.8V Off 2.41mA On 6.35mA
3.0V Off 2.64mA On 7.69mA
3.5V Off 3.23mA On 10.15mA
4.0V Off 3.47mA On 10.54mA
4.5V Off 3.50mA On 10.76mA
5.0V Off 3.51mA On 10.93mA
5.5V Off 3.52mA On 11.08mA
6.0V Off 3.53mA On 11.19mA
6.5V Off 3.54mA On 11.32mA
7.0V Off 3.55mA On 11.45mA
7.5V Off 3.56mA On 11.60mA
8.0V Off 3.58mA On 11.71mA

Update on the rotor, still need to make up the hub disks:


Regards
Rob

[hartiberlin]

Hi Rob,
many thanks for the update,
does that mean, you have actually connected L2 to L3 via
the Hall IC and the SS-Relay yet ?

Do you have a scope ?
How do the scopeshots look directly at the cap
or directly across the coils ?

How often do you connect L2 to L3 during one
rotation of the rotor ?
How long ?
How many milliseconds ?

Do you power the Hall IC now from an external powersupply ?

It sounds, as this is pretty much current wasted via this Hall IC and
SS Relay.
Fesearcher told me, he only needed 3 mA with his selfmade SS-Relay,
but he did it also not get it to work yet...
Hmm...

Maybe Mike did a few more errors in his circuit diagramm, not just
mixing up the Hall IC type ?

Regards, Stefan.