Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[fesearcher]

Hi Omnibus,
indeed to run a motor on battery that does not run down is something special. But when the original motor from Mike is said to be run on a single cap, then any replication should do the same to be called overunity motor. My motor can run on a cap for couple of minutes it will run over night on a battery by not discharging it to much. However to check if a design is overunity, the power source should be very small to make exact statements. Keep also in mind that there are uncertainties in measurement!
PK

P.S.: I have read and experienced so much in the past, I'm just very carefully in doing any statement and because of my profession I know how importand it is to accurate make research to make it believable and reproducible.

[z_p_e]

fesearcher,

Well, I can say it's good to have you aboard. Your approach is to be commended.

A question: Why did you wind your Generator coil the same no. of windings as the Drive coil? From Mike's scope shots, it appears that the Drive coil has twice the number of turns as the Trigger and Generator coils.

Regards,
Darren

[hartiberlin]

I don't understand why there is so much confusion about this easy, and well-known concept.

Mike's scope shots are inverted, as verified by my work (I'll post scope shots if anyone is interested), and fesearcher's scope shots.

Darren

Hi Darren,
yes, please post scopeshots of your work together with a circuit diagram, so one can see,
where you did exactly measure them.

The others, who have posted scopeshots unfortunately never draw a circuit diagram with it,
so one never knows exactly, where they take these scopeshots.
This is where all the confusion comes from
Scopeshots WITHOUT circuit diagrams are WORTHLESS,
because only the experimentator knows, where he is measuring it !

Documentation is so important in our area of research !

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

[dingbat]

Scopeshots WITHOUT circuit diagrams are WORTHLESS,
because only the experimentator knows, where he is measuring it !

I agree very much with that remark.

Dingbat,

Yes, that scope shot of John's is taken across the main or Drive coil ("motor coil" as John calls it). It is inverted.

Darren

Darren,

Can you describe each portion of the waveform and interpret what is going on to generate it?

Specifically there are 3 basic areas of the wave - the flat portion, the spikes, and the hump.  The Bedini guys somewhere described the 3 spikes as when the trigger is firing, I think.  I presume they mean the trigger coil is pulsing the transistors 3 times (sometimes twice).  Right after the last pulse we get the hump.

Can you explain how you would interpret the waveform on the main coil?
I'm specifically trying to figure out the hump and the flat clipped looking areas.  It is curious how the hump cuts off suddenly at the trailing edge.

Thanks,

Dingbat

[hartiberlin]

Here is some news fromPeter Lindeman, who has visited
John Bedini:

2007/02/28 04:05
Corona and All,

I was at John?s shop today and this is what I saw. I arrived at about 10:30am. John?s motor was running on the bench. It was connected to a capacitor in parallel with an 18AH Garden Battery. This composite supply was being monitored by a digital bench meter (plug-in type) and read 12.66 volts. I brought my photo-tachometer to the shop, so I measured the speed of the motor. The first reading was 354.1 RPM at about 11:00am.

By this time, the meter started flashing 12.67 volts, once every minute or so, while holding steady at 12.66 volts most of the time. The oscilloscope was showing a steady wave-form with three high voltage spikes superimposed on the sine-wave. This is indicative of the motor ?triple-triggering? and sending three radiant spikes back to the battery/capacitor supply to recharge it.

We went to lunch and got back around 1:00pm.

By this time, the meter was reading a steady 12.67 volts and the speed had increased to 358 RPM. Rick took his film about this time, posted to this forum earlier. By 3:30pm, the speed topped out at 361.1 RPM. Shortly after this, I noticed that the oscilloscope was showing only two high voltage spikes in the wave-form, indicative of the motor ?double-triggering? and sending only two radiant spikes back to the battery/capacitor supply to recharge it. By 4:30pm the meter was reading 12.66 Volts again and the speed had dropped to 356.3 RPM.

At this point, John slowed the motor down a little more by pressing a little on the turning shaft. The scope immediately showed that as the motor slowed down, it started triple-triggering again, which in turn made the motor speed up and charge the battery/capacitor to a higher voltage. After a few more quick tests like this, it was pretty obvious that the motor was operating at the peak of its operational ?bell curve?. From this point, it was self-regulating between 354 RPM and about 361 RPM with a charge on the battery/capacitor supply between 12.66 volts and 12.67 volts. I left the shop at about 5:00pm.

The motor had run in this window all day, making up all of its losses and maintaining its speed and charge. The losses include the voltage drops through all of the transistors and diodes, which are a voltage loss against the power supply for both motor drive and generator recovery. Other losses include bearing friction and wind resistance. So, clearly, the unit is operating UNDER-UNITY, but the over-all COP is just above 1.

John plans to run the motor all night, so if the meter reads above 12.65 volts tomorrow morning, I?d say the system is stable.

As for the circuit, Corona, NO, John is not using the hall-SCR combination in this set-up. His ?feedback loop? uses only one more resistor and one more NPN transistor and creates a feedback in a slightly different location than Mike?s circuit. John always does his own experiments and solves for his own solution. So, he found a SECOND window where it works different than Mike?s. But John?s motor ran ALL DAY and didn?t take anything from the supply source.

Tomorrow should be interesting.

Peter