Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hartiberlin]

I don?t know, if this was posted yet,
but User MeggerMan wrote:

2007/02/26 22:52
The relay that Mike first used is/was possibly a dual output relay.
I have scoured the internet for a few hours and the nearest thing I can find is this:
http://www.celduc-relais.com/all/pdfcelduc/SCB345100.pdf
4-30V DC control
2 x 50A, 12V to 280V AC

So this explains the two spade connectors with no connections, these would be the "B" outputs and he needed to only use the "A" outputs.

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My comment.
Yes, it looks like this could have been used.
But from the PDF it seems that the 4 control pins of this double
channel SS-Relay are nearer to the one side of the outputs,
but in the pic from Mike?s video, these 4 pins seems to be
just in the center of the relay...
Hmm, also the relay seems to work only
from output voltage from 12 to 280 Volts,
but Mike?s motor is already accelerated from 0 Volts on
his cap !
Also the input only works, if the input to the relay is higher than 4 Volts,
but Mike?s cap is starting at 0 Volts and the rotor already accelerates !?

Also , how is the Relay switched off ?
The voltage at the SCR?s of the Relay must go under
a certain threshold level, so the Relay is at all
switched off again.
Does this apply when the pulse falls again ?

Regards, Stefan.

[helmut]

Is it me or does anyone else notice that the gn0sis forum went from doing a Mike self running replication to a John Bedini battery running replication.. What ever happen to the self runner proof with NO BATTERY... guess it was not important...

I just figured there was a battery hidden somewhere in his mess of connections in the video(Hopefully I get proven wrong!).
So we have a battery operated motor that is extremely efficient, the trade-off being that little work can be generated from it while maintaining this efficiency?
I might as well build my own motor. It will use a ton of electricity. But it will also do a ton of work in very little time

@xpenzif
Everyone who build up his own Motor,does one step forward.
Today i want to make some change on the Coils , but something went wrong.
Now i have konvertet the coils in to a Wig.That was a step back.
Tomorrow i start from the beginning.I still want have such a mashine.
I am shure we are on the right way .

Helmut

[hartiberlin]

I have watched again the full video, but I
must say, the control pins for the double channel
SS-Relay, where only one channel is used seem
to be exactly in the center of the 4 output pins.

So I guess Mike still used a different SS-relay than this one:

[hartiberlin]

All,
I added at the first posting of this thread now the Full version
of the Mike motor, as Mike  posted 2 parts and the second part
was broken.Rich got the 2nd file part and fixed it and
put together now the full movie.

Many thanks to Rich for providing the full version.

In the full version you can see the SS-relay much better and the additional
sync wheel, where only 1 magnet is fixed to and triggers the SS_Relay only once
per 360 degrees rotation.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

In a private discussion with user Gustav Pese and user shadow,
we came to the conclusion, that
Mike did not use these small MPSxxxx transistors.

But as Mike labeled his parts on one picture as
PNP and NPN he would not have done this,
if he had used N-MOSFETs
and P-MOSFETs or something simular.

So as he used TO220 case NPN and PNP
transistors, which TO220 NPN transistor has
such a freewheel safety diode integrated ?

I almost think his PNP transistor did NOT have this
freewheel safety diode integrated, so the current from
L2 can only flow to the SS-relay and not to
the cap, when the SS-Relay is switched on.


Gruss, Stefan.