Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[pese]

@all

An halve wave is now short circuit !
So an  full-wave bridge cant  work  !


Pese


@legendre

The Input (that what is normal the Relay-coil):
is here  4V --- to x Volt DC  this is only an driver voltage for an LED inside
(Resistor is build inside) 

Also inside is an Photodetector that drive an triac ( possibly also 1 SCR in fullwave bridge)  so it van only switch AC .  (WITH DC  on output Relay will only close and not more open)
Pese

[barbosi]

Here are dual channel scope shots from Mike.

He did scope the main ( 2nd coil) and the trigger coil ( 1st coil)
and the second scope shot is the main coil with the 3rd coil ( induction coil)

This is the voltage on the coils without the coils being connected to anything else.
The rotor just was spun by hand .

You can see, that the main coil has a much higher output voltage, cause
it has more turns of wire.

This test was just to see, how the voltage would look on the coils,
when the rotor was spun by hand.
The induction  looks like a real sine wave.
If I used my Newman magnet rotor inside a Newman coil,
I had more like a Sine^2 function induction voltage.

Regards, Stefan.

Attched the 2 pics.

And what was disconnected? (the rotor was spun by hand)
Here we miss the magic spikes.
I would love to have a picture with time measurements on the spikes... What is their width? I want to determine the nature of those spikes. Where are they coming from?
Is it me, or the third coil doesn't have a closing path to the ground through the bridge? (maybe I'm just tired)

[hartiberlin]

Barbosi,
this was just a test to see, how high the voltage would go,
if the coils were not connected to anything...
Just a test to see at what RPM what voltage would show
up at the coils...

Yes,with the SS relay the circuit is pretty complicated and I hope
Mike gets his motor to run also just on a reed relay switch
substituted for the SS relay.

[hartiberlin]

Dave said in the other forum,
it is better first to replicate the original Mike motor
with all HIS components and IF we got it to work ,
THEN we should only change things...

Dave,
you are right, I agree.

If Mike gets it to run again with his new
hall IC maybe he can first then post again a few
scope shots at shunts, so we can also see the current
flowing in the device and then later try to substitute
the SS relay versus just a reed switch.
Many thanks.

[barbosi]

I agree to, we shouldn't lose the first working thing. In fact it should be preserved for later showcase in a museum. It's a milestone.

In other tone, please have another look to the full_circuit.jpg!
I don't understand how the hall device fire the relay. Must be something wrong in this drawing (or maybe not??) what gets the relay at its"coil"? Maybe the red trace from the relay should go to GND? Is this a mistake in the drawing?

I think we need a cleaner redraw with complete respect from the working motor.

Also, can we have more pictures: sync wheel & hall, Rotor's magnets (how many)...