Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[z_p_e]

The scope shots:

Trigger, Drive, D2, Generator.

They aren't a perfect match, but close.

All except D2 are differential measurements, with V+ on high side, and V- on low side. D2 is referenced to GND, and is taken off the top of "Rscope".

S1 is not being triggered in these shots as V2 = 0V.

Darren

PS. Let me know of any suggestions, comments, or measurement requests.

[SPP-48]

One point of a test could be to take a condensator without polarity .

Another test could be to connect a 1:1 transformer in series tu the cup,and closed up with a diode.

@helmut

Thanks for the suggestions I will try them. I also managed to buy (rather cheap) a small 1F supercap 5.5v and a 22F 5.5v that I will be trying (no, it's not a misprint-22Farads).

I disconnected the batteries for the weekend so that I can carry out some structured experiments. The batteries were reading 2.4V, and it took the motor 64 seconds to stop after disconnection from the batteries. The motor has been running on the same batteries for 105 hours.

I have now set up a mechanism which will give the rotor a quick spin and then let go, similar to a hand spin except that it will be consistent. Using this I have started to experiment with different capacitor values and configurations. I have started to notice some interesting results and will post when I have more data.

regards

SPP-48

[SPP-48]

Did the motor speed change when you increased the resistance?

@dingbat

I was running it on a 6V torch battery while experimenting with the resistors and it was going pretty fast anyway, but now that you mention it, I believe it did pick up.

regards
SPP-48

[SPP-48]

are you shure , that you can read the AC ??
This is not Sine !!
Peaks and Pulses ...
Not to read with AC Voltmeter !

Pese

@pese

But will it tell me the difference between many peaks and pulses and a few peaks and pulses.

SPP-48

[gyulasun]

...I'm also making some very simple computer calculations and asking a simple question.
This question is :
According to the vid the 47 mili_F cap seems to be charging up to 6 volts (during a single revolution?)
According to the formula : Vcap= Vsource * (1-e^(t/R*C)) should you not be able to draw some abacus to figure out what the R, the  t and the Vsource could be and if it could match with what is is known about this device?
For example (should I'm not be mistaking): if you charge a 47 mili_F cap with 74 volts(Vsource), through a 10 ohm resistor during 1/25 seconds,  the voltage across the said cap will be 6 volts.
Do you see what I mean? I'm missing something?
My thinking is that this device could actually work but must be very difficult to tune. Manner of the Finsrud device it sounds like a resonant apparatus.

Hi NerzhDishual,

I think your calculations are ok but the charging time you consider 1/25 sec I think is way too rapid. Why do you see the cap charges up to 6V under one revolution;  which is the video you estimated it from?
The video Stefan uploaded in the first post of this thread, didn't it?
( winmotor_full.wmv )   

If we consider a 10 sec time period under which the 47mili_F cap charges up from about 0V to 4.5V (time between 00:12 to 00:22 from the video and the voltage from the meter), then calculation gives about 4.52V source voltage, right? (consider 40 Ohms coil resistance for R value, not 10 Ohms, ok?)

If this is so, then the voltage source is always a few tens of mili_V higher only than the cap voltage and this sounds correct through the 40 Ohms and during the slow charging time, I think.

In other words, I don't think we can say something is wrong / suspicious just from these calculations. It sounds reasonable.  Agree?

Regards
Gyula