Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[z_p_e]

A D2 shot showing a more pronounced postive pulse similar to what Mike's looks like. I wonder if this is how Mike's would look if we could see more of the waveform?

Anyone want to take a shot at guessing how I got it to do this?

Darren

[hydrocontrol]

Hi Darren.
RPM 666.. funny..

Anyone want to take a shot at guessing how I got it to do this?

Sure.. I will take a shot.. How about position of coils or perhaps how the coils are wound above the magnets. You are so close.. You are almost there.. Check out the waveforms here.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromexp.htm
compare them to your wave forms.... Hummm.. Look at the overhead picture of the Mini-Romag.. Look at coils 1 and 4 and get rid of coils 2,3,5 and 6... What does it look like to you... you are so close.. 
Later,
Tom

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Anyone want to take a shot at guessing how I got it to do this?

By inverting L3? (maybe reversing the scope leads?)


However you did it, that is more like the dramatic effect I was looking for.

Nice.

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WHAT CAUSES THIS

The portion you have circled is where the trigger winding is transitioning on.  I think this provides a more solid ground for the scope because the transistor is conducting.  Hence the voltage shift on the scope.  It must have something to do with the transistor switching on.

The next shift by the double spike is where the transistor switches off (and on and off again.)  That's what I think, anyhow.

Fundamentally, I think Mike's scope was working with a "floating" ground, depending upon what state the transistor and ssr were in.  Your simulations may have trouble exactly duplicating a nearly floating ground.

I'm very impressed with where you are.  I think at this point you have successfully shown that the "spike" seen on Mikes scope shot is predictable by proper analysis of the system.

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Sure.. I will take a shot.. How about position of coils or perhaps how the coils are wound above the magnets. You are so close.. You are almost there.. Check out the waveforms here.

I studied the Naudin waveforms a few days ago after tao published them on gn0sis.com.

It is curious that Mike's (and others') are much more sinusoidal than the Naudin waveforms.  I think I know why, but I'm waiting for more of a discussion to develop on that point.  There are some interesting nuances brough out in that information that may be exploitable in the window motor.  So far it doesn't look like anyone is producing the type of waveform that Naudin predicts with this kind of setup.