Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[tonyc]

Hi Darren
The wires as you said look as if they have all been soldered, in this picture,  to me it looks like each wire is a twisted pair.
I am only trying to get to the bottom of what he did.
The trouble is now i have no idea of how he got those resistances.
I start construction tommorow, and i need to work these dam coils out.

Help in this picture it looks like the Trigger coil is thinner.

But the Gen wire on the left looks twice as thick as the gen wire on the right

Hi,
     If  you take  a look at the picture posted by war123 on the previous page, zoom in on the wires and then have a look at the edge of one of the cable ties. I think this will explain why you think there are 2 wires. Remember these are pretty low res photos that have also been compressed , so be careful how you interpret them. When you start zooming a photo that has been through a compressor it is not uncommon to find things that are totaly different to the original. I am tending to take more infomation from what Mike said rather than his photos. I believe that Mikes coils are not true trifiler (all 3 twisted together first to form one wire , then wound onto a coil former) , I think he just wound all 3 wires together onto a former without twisting them together first. Of course this is based on zooming into his photos , which contradicts what I just said ;-)
Hope this helps

Cheers
               Tony.

[Peterae]

Hi Tony
Opps i keep going back and altering what im saying, it seems to change from mineuet to minuet LOL.
Didnt realise you posted after.
I agree in 1 picture the cable ties look Like twisted pairs, but in the photo i just uploaded they dont, and all 3 wire ends look twisted. ??

Because Darren has done such a good analysis i will try building his coil tommorow, Its the only way i will stay Sain   

[z_p_e]

I think he just wound all 3 wires together onto a former without twisting them together first.

Tony,

I agree with you. But it looks like (and makes sense) that he twisted and soldered the one end together so they wouldn't separate or slip while winding.

btw, the wires do not have to be twisted to be considered bifilar or trifilar. As long as they are wound together. They can be wound in parallel rather than twisted to each other too.

Darren

[z_p_e]

I am going to make your coil above but what i will do is make 2 sets of coils 240 turns each that way i can use the second coil to play around altering the resistances and will use 1 strand to double L2 to 473 turns.

Peter.

Sounds good. I think you are saying that you are going to wind a quad-filar coil. That is what John Bedini suggested as an easy way to double up the L2 winding, just put them in series when done winding.

I don't know if there is much if any difference compared to winding one continuous L2...anyone?

I doubt that Mike did it this way though, but I suppose there could be a hidden series connection somewhere under the coil tape.

So in summary and to make it easy round numbers (a few turns difference is not critical I think):

L1: 30 AWG, 240 Turns, ~ 40 Ohms
L2: 28 AWG, 480 Turns, ~ 46 Ohms
L3: 28 AWG, 240 Turns, ~ 23 Ohms

Winding Former: 4.6" X 4.4"

Darren

[z_p_e]

I am going to make your coil above but what i will do is make 2 sets of coils 240 turns each that way i can use the second coil to play around altering the resistances and will use 1 strand to double L2 to 473 turns.

Peter.

Sounds good. I think you are saying that you are going to wind a quad-filar coil. That is what John Bedini suggested as an easy way to double up the L2 winding, just put them in series when done winding.

I don't know if there is much if any difference compared to winding one continuous L2...anyone?

I doubt that Mike did it this way though, but I suppose there could be a hidden series connection somewhere under the coil tape.

So in summary and to make it easy round numbers (a few turns difference is not critical I think):

L1: 30 AWG, 240 Turns, ~ 40 Ohms
L2: 28 AWG, 480 Turns, ~ 46 Ohms (single-continuous, OR bifilar-series)
L3: 28 AWG, 240 Turns, ~ 23 Ohms

Winding Former: 4.6" X 4.4"
All 3 trifilar, not twisted

Darren