Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[NerzhDishual]

Hello tenacious, inquisitive & sharp builders!

I finished my window motor replication one week ago.
It is running ... with a battery... (and with or without the cap).
What a wonderful achievement! Is is not ? 

Of course, it only needs a 4.5 volt batt to run firmly but slowly.
Of course, with a 12.5 volts batt and the cap it also runs faster even when the batt is only hand-connected "from time to time" (each second or less) to re-charge the cap.  (Do you see what I mean?)

Anyway : it *does not* work "by itsef" as I naively expected. (

I have done a lot of quick-and-fuzzy tests and measurements, for example: short
cuircuited the Crouzey relay output, short-cuircuited the diode.. etc..
I must be more accurate and systematic during my next testing.

BTW : I have already built 3 SSG Bedini's motors and these gizmos can charge a big cap very fast but in that case the scope show huge spikes and I have not seen such things with my window motor.

Best
PS: Thanks to z_p_e  for is comment.

More pictures at http://freenrg.info/Window_Motor/
Best pictures of the full motor to come soon.

[z_p_e]

A test has been performed using my model to compare the charging capability of coils L2 and L3.

Both coils were connected to their own FWBR and 47000u capacitor.
No coil switching was used, just sine wave induction from the magnet to coil. Same RPM for each.

After 3 seconds, L2 charged the cap to 500mV, and L3 charged its cap to 70mV.

One could conclude form this test that Mike did indeed have the FWB connected to L2 and not L3 as he posted, and as was traced out by Peter from the video.

What then is the purpose of L3? How could Mike have gotten it so wrong on his diagram?

In my post a few pages back, it was shown that from the video, 3V was reached in 3 seconds. How could this be?

Of course bemf will help charge the cap faster, but 1) will it charge it as fast as Mike's? and 2) the transistors wouldn't start switching (creating bemf) until the +V voltage reached somewhere between 2V to 3V, so that means no bemf for the first charging phase.

One theory I pose to you is this: Mike's capacitor had a relatively high ESR. Such a capacitor could give the illusion that it is being charged very quickly, especially if monitored with a digital voltmeter. In actuality, the voltage would be quite spikey if seen with a scope.

Being that Mike reported this particular capacitor later stopped working, tends to support this theory.

Any thoughts?

Darren

[dingbat]

At this point my confidence is waning.  I think that it is likely that the Mike motor was a fake.

If everything that Mike has allegedly said is true, his teacher has the working motor.  If the motor really worked as the video showed, we have not seen the last of it.  It will just take time for it to come out.

I might eventually construct a window motor or a ssg motor with the parts I have purchased, and I might not.  There are enough people trying and failing.  I probably can't add anything to the effort by duplicating something that is proving to not work by many other people.  I'm not very interested in charging batteries, and that seems to be the only way for the window motor to do anything curious.

[z_p_e]

In regards to Mike's electronics teacher, and all that suposedly transpired, if true, I suspect the teacher may be more interested in capitalizing on the achievement for either himself, or him and Mike together.

I still feel the presentation was real, and Mike did achieve something. Look at Bedini's video demo of his motor...with only the two coils, and the Bedini/Cole switching circuit, it apparently will run for many minutes on only the capacitor after receiving a hefty spin to get it all going.

Some of the replications are running on only a few milliamps, and so it may take just a little bit more to get the motor to unity or slightly above. If Lenz has little effect on this motor as John mentions in the video (if I understand correctly), then it would seem logical that the 3rd generator coil may be all that is required to push the thing over the top. From some spin tests that Peter did though, it appears that Lenz is in fact alive and well in this window motor configuration.

With good rotor balancing, flywheel effect, and bearing tweaking, it should be possible to approach 95% efficiency or so. I think perhaps one other area of investigation to improve the overall efficiency, would be to use much heavier gauge wire for the windings.

Darren

[Mannix]

Welcome back to the TPU Darren

You really did a fantastic job here ...absolutely awesome now about those spikes

I think that the "anomaly" is the same in both units...the tpu just makes lots of them

Lindsay