Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[molux]

Hy,

Yes, forget the Mike Fraud, in france we say: "It's ? charlot" !

But go to PESWiki and see Rick Friedrich Replication, it's amazing, apparently John Bedini itself say this systeme it's a real step for the Bedini Technologie Free Community.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Self-Runner

I hope this schematic, help use to quickly forget the monkey Mike (HHM).

Thanks

Molux

[dingbat]

I'm not going to get too excited about Rick's "Self Runner" until someone does some real load testing on the charged batteries.  The only parameter being tested is the terminal voltage on the batteries.  In my opinion this is jumping to conclusions.  The terminal voltage of the batteries is not a reliable indication of the condition of the batteries.

The motor hits the charging batteries with very high voltages.  I think these voltage spikes may be artificially pumping up the voltage on the batteries, without really deep charging the batteries.

I would like to see someone loading the batteries in a controlled way to discharge them a known amount, then charge them again, etc.  I am only seeing claims that voltages are going up on the batteries.  No testing to see whether the batteries will do anything.  I have batteries that check ok on voltage that won't hold any charge.  I don't think just checking the voltage is good enough to make the claims being made.

[z_p_e]

DB,

What you said seems reasonable and logical.

Maybe Rick has been rotating the batteries?

Darren

[dingbat]

Maybe Rick has been rotating the batteries?

I don't know.  I don't think so, but asking any tough questions is highly discouraged - as though you are attacking them.  I am bothered by the insistence on using batteries and using terminal voltage as the indicator that something is "working".  I certainly wouldn't call the system "self running" until it has run for a few years of rotating the batteries or something.

I think that what might be happening could be more of a chemical effect in the batteries than tapping the zero point.  I wish a battery expert would give some opinions on what happens when you pulse a battery with spikes much higher than the battery voltage, etc.

I also find it interesting how every time they make "an advance" in their devices they get very excited, even though they supposedly did the very same thing in 1984, and hundreds of times since.  If what they are doing is so passe, and they have been doing the very same thing for 20+ years, why do they get so excited?  "This is really it this time (but we've been doing this all along)".  It is easy get the feeling they don't even believe themselves.

I get the feeling that they are nervous about really testing the batteries because it might disprove what they are doing.  There are obvious ways to prove whether or not the system is gaining energy, but they seem to avoid the kinds of tests that would prove it. (rotating batteries, discharging the batteries through known loads for given time periods, etc.)

If they can remove a battery, discharge it through a fixed resistor bank for some number of minutes, record the terminal voltage before and after the battery discharges, rotate the battery back into the system, then keep doing this with all batteries, etc., they can prove that the system works in fairly short order.  If they can't show this, they really have nothing of use.

These are just my opinions, of course.

db

[molux]

Hy,

Yes dingbat, it's reasonable, and several test must be accomplish before claim it !
But i think this setup is more interesting than the mike fraud, so:

Instead of spending time under a fraud, spend your time under Rick Motor it's seem more reasonable. If you read all, you can see that Rick dont rotate batteries i just remember that the supply batterie apparently dont discharge.

I'm suspicous too, but with somes replications of Rick it close the debat.

I think Mike (HHM) replication may confuse some builders that spend her time and money under a joke, Bedini itself say it's a Fraud. I think Mike Joke down the Bedini technologies. You have to change the forum title, it's not true, and so this forum seems to quality growing down for the visitors.

Why some user continue to believe in the Mike fraud ? Because all on this board as to confuse us. i think it's a mistake ! They are other things more interesting and more probably realy working.


Molux

PS: When i finish my replication i wat to do what Dingbat say, i'm very suspicious about Memory effect or other physical chimical batterie effect, i want to know if battery really charger

PS2: I dont know if you have a fixed ip, in france lot of use have this, but i think mike rebecome here to profite to his joke, but probably the administrator can view by the IP the new pseudo of this villain, ans perhaps publish ip... here we can do something with it !

PS3: Excuse my bad english expression