Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hydrocontrol]

argona369 wrote:

Remember, Duplication replication modification.

I am ROTFL... I will be surprised if anyone gets a self running motor within the next month (++)  with the approaches taken so far. Shotgun approaches seldom work.   I maybe wrong (hope I am) and someone may get lucky.  I wonder if Mike knew what a Pandoras box he opened.  Without Mike providing a few more details a real replication effort is most likely to fail. I suspect Mike is were I would be if I had a self running motor in front of me. First eurphoria, then disbelief, then shock, then paranoia as tons of people are after him for more information. Is anyone surprised he went underground. Not me.. Perhaps he will come back in a couple of weeks.. I see John Bedini has joined the fray as well since it was based on his window motor (thanks) but so far I have only seen one video of a self running motor off of common capacitor and not a battery and that is Mike's video. So my hat is off to Mike for achieving what others had hoped to achieve. Mike.. if you happen to be reading this then ..Great job Mike.. Hope you are well and thanks for a glimmer of hope.

[dean_mcgowan]

Hi has anyone seen Turbo lately?

[DMBoss]

argona369 wrote:

Remember, Duplication replication modification.

I am ROTFL... I will be surprised if anyone gets a self running motor within the next month (++)  with the approaches taken so far. Shotgun approaches seldom work.   I maybe wrong (hope I am) and someone may get lucky.  I wonder if Mike knew what a Pandoras box he opened.  Without Mike providing a few more details a real replication effort is most likely to fail. I suspect Mike is were I would be if I had a self running motor in front of me. First eurphoria, then disbelief, then shock, then paranoia as tons of people are after him for more information. Is anyone surprised he went underground. Not me.. Perhaps he will come back in a couple of weeks.. I see John Bedini has joined the fray as well since it was based on his window motor (thanks) but so far I have only seen one video of a self running motor off of common capacitor and not a battery and that is Mike's video. So my hat is off to Mike for achieving what others had hoped to achieve. Mike.. if you happen to be reading this then ..Great job Mike.. Hope you are well and thanks for a glimmer of hope.

I concur.  Haphazard replication without knowing the details or worse with thinking you know what/why makes it work without any data to go on are a recipe for failure.

I have found what appears to be a serious teaching and example of prior art of the working principle Mike has stumbled upon.

See attached patent by Alexander, US3913004.

It uses a motor-generator with closely coupled coils acting as transformer between the motor/primary and generator/secondary.

Mike's relay is nonsense and can't conduct as it is for AC and switches on/off at zero crossing, and only operates well above the voltage he has here.

But his "generator coil" (3rd coil) is always connected to the capacitor through the FW bridge!

If this were true, then I reasoned I should be able to do some tests on the bench to verify the principle.  I did so with an old Adams style pulse motor that has dual wound coils.

I can get more charge going to the capacitor than is delivered to the motor coils.  BUT only under very tight specifications!  This test bed cannot self run - but it can indicate what makes Mike's and Alexander's device work. (however it told me the right ballpark of things to do to make a decent replication of Mike's motor/generator)

The optimal coil ratios are important as the generator coil has the FWD diode drop to contend with.  So generator coil has to be more turns than motor coil as Alexander teaches and my bench tests revealed as well.

1:1 ratio of generator to motor coil turns yields no charge on capacitor.  2:1 ratio makes a tiny gain in excess charge.  3:1 ratio is worse in that far more charge is used for motoring than is generated here with optical timing.

the best so far is a ratio of 3:2, or 1.5:1.  That is for every 1 turn of motor coil you need 1.5 turns of the generator coil. (the geometry magnetic fields, and coil wire resistance will affect things greatly - what Alexander found was for a commercially available motor generator that he rewound)

Generator coil should be larger wire size than the motor coil for lower DC resistance or the same DC resistance as the motor coil even though it is longer wire length. (well I am guessing here based on what makes the best lowering of the motor coil's Counter EMF by the transformer action - only experiment will tell for sure.  But the coil impedance ratio is an important factor and Mike did use two different wire gauges.  I'm not as sure about the correct coil resistance values as I am about the rest of the info in this message)

Timing is ultra critical and will NOT work to make excess charge even if the coils were perfect!  the timing envelope needs to be adjustable - so work that into the transistor circuit and/or the trigger winding turns count. (the voltage is nearly sine like, and trigger window needs to be a slice starting at  about 10-30% above zero for ON, and then about 10-30% before it crosses zero again - only one half the waveform is for motoring action while generator action proceeds all the time with the FW bridge) (I know exactly why this might work if I am right about the Alexander action, from considerable experience with pulse motors that are O/U on the bench but the explanation is too long for now)

Also note the US patent office issued a patent to Alexander 30 years ago for an over unity machine, where he specifically claims 300% gain in useful output!  So conspiracy theorist's arguments about "suppression" are dashed.  The only suppression is our own ignorance and the members of the flat earth society in academia that refuse to look at claims of O/U still, due to the ingrained dogma.

Also maybe knowing that Mike is merely replicating a form of Alexander's teaching might lift some of the burden he may feel at being this "pioneer" when in fact the knowledge is already out there.

Mike merely made an electronically commutated version of Alexander in my view, and from my preliminary tests on the bench.  I have enough detail to try one now, although my ballpark values may need adjusting when Murphy kicks you in reality.  It may or may not work the first time out.  testing and analysis of results of the first one.... and then modifications may be required to get it right.

Cheers

[Low-Q]

I just finished the mechanical parts of my prototype.  It's not too similar to the original, but it's what I could do quicklly by commandeering a Braun juicer from the kitchen, and the degaussing coil from a computer monitor:

http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini001.jpg
http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini002.jpg
http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini003.jpg
http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini004.jpg

I'll probably use a commercial inductive pickup, and a 555 timer to do the pulsing, and maybe even use a microprocessor to fine tune it.

The oscilloscope trace is 5 volts/div and 10 mSec/div when using the internal motor of the juicer to spin up.   Later, if this works, I can use the internal 3600 RPM induction motor as an induction generator to extract power :-) .

More later...

Nice, but you should use 2, or 6 magnets. With four placed N, S, N, S, the equal poles passing the coil in oposite direction will not make any voltage out...or are they placed N, N, S, S?

Br.

Vidar

[hartiberlin]

Hi has anyone seen Turbo lately?

He is mostly at the gn0sis forum and is also trying to build
the Mike motor now.

Regards, Stefan.