Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[Peterae]

Hi Darren
I dont know whats possible, would it be  possible to see current flowing through the gen coil as L2 aproaches firing point - and as L2 gets switched off.
I would also like to see the effect the Gen coil has on the cap voltage as a N magnet pole approaches the Gen coil and the ssr fires.
Also same as above but when a S magnet pole approaches the Gen coil.

Thanks
Peter

[Peterae]

It's all pretty basic electroincs really,trouble is i think i am looking for a strange effect, but i dont know what im looking for, i need to get my build done and try things.
I suppose what im after is a verification that the circuit will charge the cap, if so how well, and are there any small variations that look better. The fact that 2 wires from the cap goto the SSR and bridge, have showed me the circuit everyone is building is wrong.

[z_p_e]

Peter, See below.

So this is L2 current, and V at the FWB output. keep in mind that I have replaced the cap as a load with a 1k resistor. So there is no charging cap here, just what would be charging the cap IF it was there.

Darren

PS. What's possible to measure? Just about anything. Even power. Let me know if you want to review how I've got things connected for this sim run... it's kinda strange.

[Peterae]

Hi Darren
what is keeping the voltage across the cap from falling, i presume there is a constant voltage source feeding it.Ok sorry there is no cap LOL.
Ok
total power comsumption, what is the best time to trigger the SSR and keep the total power consumption to a min.

[z_p_e]

I've been thinking about what Dave and DB mentioned regarding the passing magnets affecting the waveforms we're seeing both in the real motors and in my model.

I believe what is happening is a modulation of the coil core's permeability. The coil-mass is essentially an air-core coil, but as a pm approaches, the permeability of the area near the windings increases. This would be challenging to model I think, although probably not impossible if you're clever enough (which I'm probably not ).

One other ting I've learned, and perhaps someone could confirm, is air-core coils generally do not have better than a 0.7 coupling coefficient. I have been using 0.95 thus far. When I adjusted it down to 0.7, and increased the coil's parallel capacitance, things started looking much closer to reality. One affect was the spreading out of the double-pulse. In mine thus far, they have been too close together, but now are almost the same spacing as shown in Mike's scope shots (~ 1.5 - 2.0 ms).

Darren