High voltage HHO by IronHead

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@Robb - Thanks. That's what I was trying to remember. Then I went there and found these clear acrylic flip top jars. Those cereal boxes of yours do look pretty slick.

@d3 - Yeah, those tubs are sweet. I used a drill bit as a mill to remove the inside plate under the lid. Came out very clean. It was complete coincidence that my newest cell was very close to the right height for this container. Bolted through the lid it hangs less than 1/16" off the bottom. I may go and get a 2nd one and set it up with flexible wires like yours for temporary tests.

Looked at your data. First, leakage isolation is important only in the series cell design. In a parallel cell there's little or no benefit.

Second, I'd put money on your variable supply going into over current protection at 2.42v. Try that same parallel cell with a standard car battery (lots of CCA) and stand back. You'd better put a circuit breaker on the supply wires.

As you can see, the direction I'm headed in is fewer neutral plates too. Right now each cell partition has 3n. My gut tells me 1 or 2 might turn out to be optimum for 12-14v applications. I too will be plotting some data soon showing the relations of V/I, watts/production, temp, etc in search of that sweet spot for various cell configurations.

ZFF

[d3adp00l]

I will give the car battery a go, but I shorted the supply to see its characteristics when shorted, it amp spikes and then blows fuses, (fuses are the protection, no ic control) the cell doesn't do that.

[Robb077]

Here is another picture. No neutral plates or isolation required. Over 1.5 volts per plate wastes electricity in form of heat. Just make more plates for more gas, not more volts.

[d3adp00l]

it seems that the powersupply  has a shunt system in it, something I was 1 unaware other and 2 not projecting as a cuase because the amperage it is shunting at is only 7.92a, nowhere near the 30a max. most of my supplies will overcurrent closer to their max output. This one doesn't.

[PulseFuelNerd]

This is my first post on electrolysis @ OU.
I am still reading all of this thread. Been following along for awhile.  Greatest collection of info that i've found.  Nice work to all!

@d3 Thanks for the output measurements.  I also feel that benchmarks are critical.

@IH it appears that the S-cell is not submersible due to voltage leak over the top of neutral cells. I see others following this cell type and still all are open to air on top.  Plastic plates in the same notch above the SS plates should seal voltage leaks over the plates while allowing bubbles to rise. This would allow the cell to be submerged. Perhaps this is not the issue and i am missing something.

I have many ??s to many for all at once. Lets start with this- Who has the most efficient cell/ outputs? It appears to be the S-cell using higher voltage? (My definition high voltage = above 12v) It seems that pulsing circuits allow this by pumping up the voltage across the capacitor plates. A transformer also can step up the voltage. Perhaps using both is best?

I do not have a pulsing circuit working yet. need help, this seems to be stalling my progress. Has anyone had success with the ST SG3525A chip? (NTE's ECG1721 has same pin outs) I have recently purchased two 555 in order to do the dave lawton circuit, because it is tried and proven.  I believe that the 1721 would use less parts though if i coould get it to work.  Building cuircuits is certainly not my specialty- lol.

Much to say on container design....
Cheers to all that try- and keep trying!
Russell