High voltage HHO by IronHead

[joemumu]

Hey All,

Could one of you old timers look this pdf over.Ã,  It's a coiled type cell.Ã,  I'm getting close to the time for building and would like to possibly go this way.Ã,  Can you see some negative things with this design?

Thanks

Alex

[IronHead]

The spiral design was one of the first i did sometime ago , it worked well .
But you do not want to separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen  shown in the pdf .
So skip the whole electromagnetic coil thing on the bubbler. 

[Super God]

If one were to build such a cell, would you still need to seal it?  It would seem pretty difficult to do with the spiraly one.

[IronHead]

Plate Cells work better  ether series +nnn-nnn+ or parallel +-+-+-+ or combination there of  as the studies have shown.
Parallel are more efficient at lower voltage. Also Plate Cells are much easier to build and reconfigure as needed.

[sparks]

   Doesn't Hansvonlieven have a system that hydrolisis water by using sound waves?  I have been involved in an electrochemical process of clarifying water for quite some time. Water with large amounts of suspended solids needs clarification before passing on down the line to membrane technologies for further purifying and dissolved solids removal.  The unit I employed passed wastewater from an industrial process through a stack of aluminum plates that had dc current passing through them like a battery charging.  It used two emitter plates on either end of the stack that were powered by a 230vdc supply.  The voltage divided between the aluminum plates (48 of em) and caused aluminum ions in the presence of dc current to cause coagulation of the suspended solids in the water.  It also produced small amounts of hydrogen gas and alot of foam.  The flocculated waste water would then have to be degassed by vacuum and the resultant floc would then settle in a sedimentation pool.  It would take water that looked like chocolate milk and make it crystal clear.   The problem with the cell was that the plates would form aluminum oxide on them and the active plate area would diminish and halt the electro-chemical process.  I am presently designing a machine that uses highpressure wastewater feed and a small dc fed non-sacraficial electrode to bore through aluminum blocks to avoid aluminum oxide formation on the sacraficial aluminum anode and allow for aluminum ions to mix with the wastewater which is necessary for the coagulation process. 
    I mention this here because the hydrolisis of water using the conventional plate technology will suffer from the same thing the water purifier did.  The water used in the process has to be very pure or it will plug the anode and cathode.  Hansvonlieven's technology grows from his studies of Kneely?  I hope I have the names right.  It looks to me like it would work no matter how shitty the water is.  I am very interested in this because I have an idea about anchored partially submerged windgenerator stations that would hydrolize seawater,  compress and store liquid hydrogen, and would only require a structure that is approximately 15-20' tall and collect 1000 of hp energy from a 20knot wind.  The state of the art propeller driven wind farms have to have huge propeller diameters which makes them hard to build, ugly and hard to site.  The devices I have in mind,  could be anchored offshore in naturally windy places, requiring no foundation to be built or maintained.  Just tow them where you want them and put down an anchor.  Come back when they are filled-up with thousands of gallons of liquified hydrogen and maybe scrape of a little seaweed from the deck and water uptake screens.   Shitload easier then maintaining a backspinning gearbox and induction generator 200 feet up some shakey windmill tower.
    The sucess of this device all hinges on the ability of the hydrolizer to tolerate the impurities found in seawater.  Hydrogen is the sludge energy replacement of the future.  The Japaneese (wizards at car manufacturing )already have an engine that runs on Hydrogen in production.  I bet you they have been working on Hydrogen fuel production as well..  Meanwhile US car manufacturers keep on adding options to their vehicles like umpteen overhead valves, or 4 or 5 dvd players per vehicle, integrated cell phones, heated seats etc.,  to bolster "showroom appeal".  The gasoline powered internal combustion engine has run it's course boys.  Time to think outside the showroom box.  The Japaneese competition sure as hell has.