High voltage HHO by IronHead

[kokomoj0]

@koko, what you said about opening the butterfly and decreasing vaccum, is correct but misleading. In that scenario you are comparing manifold air pressure to atmospheric airpressure. If the intake is a closed system to a cell then the vaccum situation changes, engine demands more volume, vaccum increases in the cell. But as pressure goes down water's boiling temp goes down also, to the point of being able to boil water at room temp. And since temp in these cells seems to want to run at about 150 degrees it would be very easy to be boiling water into the engine as well as producing HHO. So what would happen then, I wonder.

Excellent breakdown on engine operation, that was very educational!

i think another thing to add to what you said too is that it is rpm dependant.   i should have said it but it did not occur to me.   if the engine is doing say 1000 rpm in high gear and you stomp the pedal to da metal because of the slow speed the vacuum will drop nearly to zero until the engine gets the rpms up to create more vacuum and then at some point as the desired speed is reached you will automatically let up on the gas starting to close the butterfly valve and that will also increase the vacuum to it normal operating vacuum.

So what i was trying to illustrate is that when you need the most vacuum you get the least.

Interesting thoughts.  i think they have to remain an open system tho so we get hydrogen explosion instead of implosion.

i sort of had to chuckle while watching joe talk about his cell and he was saying that it was an implosion, thinking ot myself that every time it fired it would suck the valves open!  LOL

[IronHead]

I am healing ,

d3adp00l Very nicely done.  Thank you
I  will need to go over my docs on all the scientist that have studied and confirmed this 2.5 power  thing . I will get back to you on that.Meyers also found the same thing . Let me dig into it.
Also in a final system water steam is condensed back to liquid and returned to the cell. Also the KOH is condensed. Fact is here not only do you get more steam and vapor from a vacuum but you also get much more HHO

Moab Yes current flow.

[kokomoj0]

I am healing ,

yeh i know the feeling.  i was in a car accident about 14 years ago and messed up my hand, and it took me nearly 3 years to get full movement back, i had to keep working and stretching it but it eventually came back...

These projects that you have going are going to be fun!   i am giving that vqaccum thing more thought and it seems to me a person could use dual butterflies with different rates of opening/closing or set the valve so it can only open a bit since there is oxygen already in HHO.   Or maybe the butterfly that is already on the vehicle and some kind of injector for the HHO.   

Looking forward to hearing things to do with this T cell! i would like to build them both frankly at some point so i am looking forward to seeing what they can all do.

Which reminds me.... here are a couple things i have to share with everyone:

The self-ignition temperature of hydrogen is 550 degrees Celsius. Gasoline varies from 228-501 degrees Celsius, depending on the grade.

http://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/aboutwater.html

http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/hbond.html

http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/vibrat.html

http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/abstrct.html

http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/magnetic.html

The main site:
http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/index2.html

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/enfuem/2006/20/i04/abs/ef060032t.html



Warm Water Vibrates for longer time
Dutch researcher Arjan Lock has investigated the behavior of vibrating water molecules. Using ultra-short laser pulses, he has found that hydrogen atoms in water molecules vibrate for a longer period of time at higher temperatures contrary to the majority of substances in which a vibration lives shorter at higher temperatures.
Warm Water Vibrates for longer time
Dutch researcher Arjan Lock has investigated the behavior of vibrating water molecules. Using ultra-short laser pulses, he has found that hydrogen atoms in water molecules vibrate for a longer period of time at higher temperatures. This is abnormal because in majority of substances a vibration lives shorter at higher temperatures.

Lock studied the OH-stretch vibration in water. He found that the lifetime of the OH-stretch vibration, a vibration of a hydrogen atom with respect to the oxygen atom, is extremely short in water, just 0.26 picoseconds (0.26 millionth, millionth of a second). The energy is then transferred from the OH-stretch vibration to a bend vibration in water.

At a higher temperature the lifetime of the vibration increases. This is completely contrary to the expected behavior because in the majority of substances, the duration of the vibration is shorter at higher temperatures. In water however, higher temperatures weaken the hydrogen bonds and as a result of this the lifetime of the vibration increases. After a certain period of time, the hydrogen atom will stop vibrating with respect to the oxygen atom and the vibrational energy will then be transferred to other movements. The time span in which that occurs is termed the lifetime of the vibration. If the molecule has a hydrogen bond, the frequency of the OH-stretch vibration decreases and the lifetime of the vibration changes.

The lifetime of the vibration is a measure of the strength of the hydrogen bonds. Hydrogen bonds are weak bonds between the hydrogen atom in one molecule and the oxygen atom in another molecule. These bonds bind the individual water molecules together.

Lock used a special ultra fast infrared laser for his experiments. This laser provides extremely short light pulses: 0.2 Pico seconds. As these are slightly shorter than the duration of the vibrations, they can be used to carefully follow the behavior of the vibrations.

In the experiments the researcher used two light pulses. The first energy-rich pulse causes the molecules to vibrate. With the second pulse Lock could examine how many molecules were still vibrating at a certain point in time after the first pulse. A water molecule that is still vibrating will not absorb the energy from the second light pulse. By measuring how much light passes through the water, the number of water molecules still vibrating can be determined.

The research was funded by the Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research.

more:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part3/section-1.html

On the link below you have to collapse it then you can see the other pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.answers/browse_thread/thread/76d91051b45b836b




http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2006/videos/H2_ICE_combustion.wmv

Hydrogen burn video

Download and view a 25-sec., 2.7 MB .wmv file of hydrogen burning. The movie starts with a spark inside the single-cylinder hydrogen internal combustion engine and shows the progress of the combustion. Brighter colors reveal higher combustions temperatures. Engineers use a round endoscope ? thus the round image ? to take data while the engine operates.

Image shows hydrogen burning inside an engine operating at real-world speeds

HYDROGEN BURN ? Argonne engineers are the first to capture hydrogen combustion images inside an engine operating at real-world speeds. The red and yellow images show the more intense temperatures.

For more information, please contact Catherine Foster (630/252-5580 or cfoster@anl.gov) at Argonne.

a couple things i stumbled across that i found interesting regarding water.   may be of interest to you all as well.

[hkyle]

Don't quote me but I think this is what meyers said;

"Eighteen microliters of a water droplet per injection cycle is all that is required to run the experimental dune buggy at 65 m.p.h. down the road. To run a truck, for example, it would take only 148 microliters of a water droplet to equal the on-road performance of the dune buggy, Meyer said.

Normally, gasoline has .5 pounds of hydrogen in it; whereas water has 1.7 pounds of hydrogen-or 2.5 times that of gasoline. Running a car under the Water Fuel Cell method, you would go 2.5 times farther than on gasoline".



Should we be comparing by weight or by volume?
Doesn?t matter really.

[hkyle]

Just also want to say I have had little time to work on the cell.....bin busy designing a new carburetor for my truck....makes thing more difficult when it is a throttle body injection..