High voltage HHO by IronHead

[IronHead]

alexleigh
150 is just my marker to not go above. The acrylic and the glues should not be stressed to beyond 150. Also there is an effect in the plates beyond 150  we don't want  yet.

Pre-charging of plates is only done once.

water charge, charge the water at 12 volts till you see it start to get thicker , heavier looking. Let it cool between charges . Use the same water  at 24  then 36.

KOH  yes start adding as I have explained after you do these other processes.

Now go back and read the processes over on pg 24  and on, until  you  know it by heart.

[keithturtle]

"No glue on the plates"?   My grooves in the plastic are twice the width of the 20 ga 316 plates.  I had planned to put a narrow fillet of marine silicone (3m brand, could not find "GOOP" marine) where the plate meets plastic,only on one side, mebbe 1/8" overlap into reaction area.   If I filled the slot then slid in the plate, I'd have a hard time positioning it against the edge of the groove, to keep gaps uniform.   Mount molehill, to be sure, but I want to do it right.

Thanks for the insight, and stay away from salt, y'all.  Chlorine be somethin' you don't wanna mess with.  I used to hook up ton tanks of the gas.

Keith

[IronHead]

keithturtle
Silicon will break down in the cell . The cell will fall apart

Things NOT to put in a Cell

Copper            Epoxy               Vynalester
Steel              Silicon               Cyclic plastic
Metal Oxides    Latex                ABS resin
Acetate          Lexan                Baking Soda
Zinc               Natural rubber     Salt
Aluminum        Styrene              Sulfuric Acid       
Tin                Polyester            Hydrochloric Acid
Lead              Polycarbonate     Muradic Acid
Iron
Bronze
Silver

[rapttor]

keithturtle
Silicon will break down in the cell . The cell will fall apart

Things NOT to put in a Cell

CopperEpoxy               Vynalester
Steel              Silicon               Cyclic plastic
Metal Oxides    Latex                ABS resin
Acetate          Lexan                Baking Soda
Zinc               Natural rubber     Salt
Aluminum        Styrene              Sulfuric Acid       
Tin                Polyester            Hydrochloric Acid
Lead              Polycarbonate     Muradic Acid
Iron
Bronze

I'll vouch, Epoxy gave out at the 36Hr mark of having water in the cell. I got a call yesterday... from the wife..."Your experiment is leaking owal ovah the fluwah"
And I'm thinking.... do I tell her that there's alittle bit of lye in that water..... since it's spilling on the new hardwood floor... (Eh, hun... Wipe up what you can...).

So Looks like I'll be building another housing....


-rapttor

Well they call me the hunter, that's my name.
They call me the hunter, that's how I got my fame.

[kokomoj0]

Ok so acrylic for the enclosure is ok.

How about silicone sealer?  i used some with the idea it can be taken back off.  It does not hold the structure together but used as positioning and support.  Will that interfere in anyway with the process?   i used clear "silicone" from the tube.  ge product.

Also the glue i used to glu the box together has the following agents;

methyl ethyl ketone
methylene cloride
methyl acetate
methyl methacrylate monomer
acrylic resin

from the ips corporation called weldon #16 clear medium bodied solvent cement for joining acrylic.

i chose that because it also will bond pvc to the acrylic.

i also have some pvc for fittings that i have not installed yet

All these things:  water charging, pre- charging plates , sealing in the vertical sides of the cell  must be done to achieve good production in the long run.

IronHead

so we want to seal in the sides but leave the bottom and top open to get good water flow.  i imagine false sides would work well leaving a gap between the sides and the inner enclosure wall such that we get both sealed sides and good circulation around the sides as well.

another thing i am trying to figure out is; when we get to the point of trying this on something like an engine for instance, can this sytem best be used as a vacuum type like the joe cell or a positive pressure like the meyers system, maybe either?   i would like to put something together that i can go beyond the bench with right away and with the number of plates you are using i think it is big enough to run a gas engine when it is completed?

Another thing i wanted to ask; can silver be used to easily bond the stainless?

So i am trying to account for as much as possible in the design of th einitial experiment so i can go from bench to application to do further testing and avoid the need to rebuild it all for future phases of the experiment.