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Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead

Started by IronHead, March 08, 2007, 06:31:51 PM

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Robb077

Great. Maybe you don't need a kiln to fire it. Just a good firm shape and let the hho gas do the firing. 1500 c is alot of heat from the induction device.
I was thinking of something like a spoon shape with the handle bent up in front of the hho inlet (maybe sandblaster tip) and the spoon itself catching the water drippings to heat back up into hho. You will want a hot surface under the flame at first before the plasma takes over to keep it all in motion.

--another potential....have a small pipe through the plasma converting water to hho and separate the oxygen by magnetic spinoff to have hydrogen. Depends on the stable temperature possible.

IronHead

Here is the deep dish I did a rendering of , backward from you idea . Ceramic inside and Steel outside .Just  a quicky  for concept . I am still thinking this steel in time will melt .


Robb077

Nice rendering...great talent to have.
Turtle first said the integrity of the parts was questionable on the patented model.
The iron plate for the bottom was for heating the water dropping from the flame at first. However, it will not hold up at 2000 C or above.
I think the steel should be in the inside  used for the purpose of steaming water or heating water....with fresh water being injected as  possibly as fast as the plasm can be maintained....can't cool it too much. With fresh water injections, I would not think it could melt down even at high temperatures. The induction system could regulate it all.
To run a 3 kw power plant, you will need to steam about 250 lb of water/hour or about 30 gallons.  This would be 1/2 gallon of steam a minute....might be possible with the plasma, plus the induction.  The iron pipe on the inside would be injected with water to the greatest extent possible without extinguishing the plasma. At first, the iron pipe could be helpful to pull in the induction heat to get it started.
Of course, for a heater only, the steel on the outside should only reach 500 F from the plasma without induction.
I would imagine the model had available 1000 liters of gas/hour to start. This is a large vessel however.

IronHead

Claiming the heat is the easy part . Building the plasma reactor is the hard part and must be done first . I put the steel on the outside  to keep heat on the ceramic  so it can heat easy . the outside steel will get very hot  holding heat inside the ceramic. This lets the reaction start at a high temp and help maintain it,  I think. Instead of having to go from 80F to 3000F+  it has to go from 700-1400F say to 3000F+ . Just seems it would be more stable. I am just getting these things outa my head. These drawings/simulations are how I do that ,then you guys can see how I am thinking  and correct  the crap I don't see.

Idea is insulating high temperature with high temperature .

Not only is this one a rendering but is also a dynamic heat simulation.
4000F inside the ceramic vessel .I will have some numbers to add to this
as I go through different heat simulations .The steel and ceramic are the only things in simulation at the moment.


Robb077

Amazing at rendering.
Yes, it will heat easily with the steel on the outside. The plasma will be emitting infared radiation, which I'm not sure if this goes through steel so easy when being used as a heater.  Another consideration, is that although heating up initially is helped, it doesn't matter if it takes an hour if it will be left running for a long time, a little patience might be acceptable.
Claiming the heat can wait, but the induction heat might be of greater value in maintaining heat when it is being sucked off, such as circulating greater volumes of water, when the greatest problem will be extinguishing the plasma. Just some feedback.