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new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load

Started by magnacoaster, March 09, 2007, 01:37:35 AM

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RhettSpencer

#20
March 13, 2007, 06:52:07 PM
Can you tell us the part number of the alternator you are using and what internal wireing you did to get it to excite right from the start?

I would like to get an alternator and do some testing to see what speed it likes to run at.  Then we could compare notes and see if yours acts the same.

Rhett

magnacoaster

#21
March 13, 2007, 10:46:43 PM
here are the links i have been using

http://www.windstuffnow.com/main/gm_alt_mod.htm

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RhettSpencer

#22
March 13, 2007, 11:54:49 PM
Magnacoaster,

First, thank you for the informaton.

Looking at the first link did you modify your alternator and insert the permanant magnets?  or did you just modify a wire inside the regulator?

I would like to try to replicate your design to see for myself how hard it is to do, but if i just go off and get an alternator and some magnets off my shelf that look like they fit i will end up with something all together different and it will not prove anything other than one more plan that did not work.

In science journals people only publish the finished product, and not all the ones that did not work. So the next guy comes along trying to improve it and starts all over doing things that do not work spending years and finally comes up with a minor improvement.  This process is holding back progress, the only way you speed it up is by trying to find a guy who worked on the first inventon and paying him to consult so you can bypass all the things that did not work, Or make it a public domain project like linux and it moves forward much faster.

If you are trying to bring to market and do all the research for this product your self then secret is a good plan. If you are wanting to make it a public domain project and then become one of many who produce the generator systems and sell them to the 99% of the public that will never build it for themselfs then the more you share the faster the process will move forward.  Share what did work along with what did not. You will also have the combined expertise of all thoes who participate.

Rhett

magnacoaster

#23
March 14, 2007, 12:58:06 AM
the alt we use had a jump wire on the inside it was a gm with a se core on the inside i plan to scrap this and build a wind gen i have the parts and will get some of the work done in the am i also will try and see if i can make copper windings i will have to deal with a heat issue but i think i have a solution

the gm cores are ok for testing but i am thinking that if i go the other way and get more power the best i have seen on the wind sites is 3kw i think there may be a way to get more but im not sure as i dont want to stall out when i turn it

as well i am going to cut the main cores in the coil back as i made a slider so i can adjust the position (i still have to use ny tool and fix the corners )

i got 22 - 2 x 10 inch nylon cores for 50 bucks all i have to do is figure out how i want to lay it out before i go and have it milled and drilled

i also need to get my ass in gear to get a rectifier as i want to have this ready in the next week

RhettSpencer

#24
March 14, 2007, 06:01:35 PM
Magnacoaster,

Can you do a few simple tests to better understand your system.

Can you get 2 batteries, One to power the motor side and one for the alternator.
I am not sure if your alternator will put out any power with out a battery to get it started. If it will then a car headlight would be great to have connected to the alternator.

Then measure the voltage accross the battery and amps on the motor side, and then the voltage and amps on the alternator side.   Pay very close attention to the polarity of the current flow on the alternator side if you have to use the battery. We need to  make sure the current is comming OUT of the alternator and not going INTO the alternator powering the field since you have modified the internals.  We want to make sure the current is comming out!

Some times a batterys voltage will increase for a short time when loaded, also the spark energy from your points may also be feeding back raising the battery voltage.

Normally the tourque on the alternator shaft required to produce 240 Watts like you believe you are would stop a flyweight motor like you have.  If it really is working like you think then I believe the magic is in the alternator and has nothing to do with your motor side.

Rhett
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