new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load

[MeggerMan]

Hi Richard,
Any chance of seeing some input measurements from the battery and the output power from the inverter using a true RMS meter?

Otherwise what you have there is a very large un-interupable power supply, I have one of those at home, its about the size of a sandwich box including a battery and could power all of your lamps quite happily.
http://www.belkin.com/uk/activebattery/specs/

Its all about input/output measurements.
You could connect the battery to the inverter with the bulbs connected and measure the current/voltage from the battery then add your box into the circuit and look at the difference.

Ohh....and the word "support" has an "r" in it, I checked

Regards
Rob

[skeptic_tc]

Hi Richard, all

Last night after reading and watching a few videos of your device plus one from the Lutec 1000 (Thanks Rob) I thought maybe there was a chance this could be true.  All the while there was this nagging feeling in my mind saying there is something wrong with this picture.  After sleeping on it and thinking about it while running this morning I finally figured out the problem with magnetic motors in general. 

First let me say that I am skeptical but agnostic and welcome advances in technology.  While I believe all 'over-unity' devices to be at best an inventor's obsession and at worst a hoax to make money, I gladly entertain the notion of 'free energy' and will similarly be happy to admit my error if proven wrong.  I can and would treasure serving as a skeptical (but fair) third party tester for anyone wishing to have proof of their device up to my level of knowledge in a place of their choosing.  My knowledge isn't all encompassing of course but I believe my electrical engineering background allows me to test the feasibility of devices like this.

In trying to understand complex devices I break them down to the simplest implementation possible.  If an idea does not work in the simple case it will most likely not work in the complex one either - though of course not every time.  The thing that threw me off for a while is the notion of the electro-magnet.  Since I don't know enough about their electrical needs in comparison to their output power I couldn't evaluate the idea.  What I do understand though is simple physics and electrical engineering.

So in a magnetic device as simple as possible one would have an ordinary rod type permanent magnet that could spin about the vertical axis in a perfectly balanced manner.  Let's say the North pole is 'up' and the South pole is 'down'.

Now let's place another identical permanent magnet such that the two North poles are in line with each other.  We should feel a repulsive force wanting those two ends to separate - this is the first power put into the system that must be measured in order to find out if indeed there is 'free energy' coming out.  This can be done with a simple torque wrench and some handy math.

If the apparatus is then released the magnets will repel and since they are constrained by the pins will begin their circular motion.  We all know where this ends - at an equilibrium point where both magnets are perpendicular to their positions when the experiment began.  If they had maintained or increased their angular momentum and continued to rotate we would indeed have 'free energy'.

Ok.  So now let's say, what if you have them 90 degrees apart so that the top magnet is at the 12 and 6 o'clock position and the lower magnet is at the 9 and 3 o'clock position - wouldn't that have the intended effect of having them constantly push each other around their axis points?  For a moment yes but that is simply because it would take some energy to put them into that position.  Once that amount of energy was dissipated they would find an equilibrium point and the experiment would be over.

I truly encourage Richard and everyone else to keep trying their ideas because it is how we all learn.  The problem is - in this case anyway - people are trying to relearn what has been proven wrong for over a century.  There are no 'over unity' devices except for energy/mass conversion - and even then it is truly not an over-unity device.

My fervent hope is for us to somehow tap into an inexhaustible supply of energy such as gravity, solar, geothermal, Earth's magnetic field, etc.  There is where our 'free energy' has always been and hopefully someday where it will come from.

Skeptical but agnostic and hopeful...TC

[ramset]

Richard when is the Toronto show  Chet

[MeggerMan]

Hi Chet,
http://toronto.greenlivingshow.ca/
So that would be April 25 - 27 2008

Exhibitor categories are:
Energy, Green Building, Transportation, Environmental Education, Home & Garden, Eco-Fashion, Health & Wellness, Food & Beverage, Eco-Tourism & Recreation, Environmental Non-Government Organizations (ENGOs) and Green Business.

Looks like a good show for those living in Toronto - I would certainly go if I lived locally.

Skeptic-tc,
You mean Lutec?

Hi Richard,
Is your device anything to do with running a coil in a vacuum?
I notice that this picture off your website looks like it could withstand a vacuum.


Regards
Rob

[ramset]

MEG thanks for the info  Im Quite a drive away NYC  USA  but if Richards going and demonstrating    How could  I resist thanx again  Chet