Source of energy, Testatika

[wings]

take a look to this .... familiar ?

[mikewatson]

I believe Janke took over the Schloss in Aurolzmünster after the death of Karl Schappeller.  Janke like Schappeller and also Rudolph Steiner believed in the existence of a "vital force" that had the property of building up order from relative disorder, the so called Urkraft.  This contrasts to ordinary physical forces than run down from an ordered state to a disordered state. This "building up" force is the source of life on this planet. Every time a seed is planted in the ground this vital energy is tapped.
Janke founded or lead the Reich Arbeits Gemeinschaft (RAG)  which was a society with the aim of  exploiting this vital force, which was called "vril". All this is documented in Der Vril Mythos by Peter Bahn and Heiner Gehring, Omega Verlag 1997. Davson in his book on Schappeller physics called this Vril force Primary Energy.
A significant point is that Baumann was around when Schappeller was alive and was not far from Austria so would almost definitely have known about Schappeller.
Certainly Schappeller said he was using an energy that naturally itself built up, used by all living matter. This seems close to Baumann's religous ideas and a true free energy.
Mike

[Shanti]

I wonder which shops (in Europe) sell metal sheets with such small quadratic holes. Most of the shops I found have a smallest hole size of 4mm...

Try www.modulor.de. They have quite some of this stuff.


@mike:
I think you're mixing up the persons. Janke certainly never had anything to do with Schappeller (wrong country).
The person you meant was Johannes Janik, not Janke.


It's certainly quite hard to tell, if there's some truth to Janke's stuff or not. Certain ideas are certainly purely ridiculous (e.g. that one shouldn't build skyscrapers, for the ground cannot support them and they would fall down into the earth...)
Some of his ideas are on the other hand quite straight forward, but a bit strange in concept. E.g. when he writes, that there are "streets" in the solar system with oxygen and hydrogen atoms, and that one could use them to burn them and get so a propulsion in space.
Other views about the solar system show great similarities to plasma cosmology. We do know, that Janke read a lot. So maybe he also read some of Alfvén's stuff???

[gauschor]

Thanks, this shop seems to have exactly the kind of aluminium mesh I need 

Besides, has anyone tried to get the perpetual motion of the Testatika done? This is not not about the output power of the Testatika, but about getting the disc to rotate without any power source. Wouldn't it be nice to have a self rotating disc when experimenting with electrostatics?

Now my consideration is the following: I have observed that when creating the potential difference between 2 electrodes the brushes do NOT touch the disc segments at all. Electrons are obviously "jumping" over a small distance if the influence from the metal sheet below the segment is strong enough. Based on this and the fact that you can drive a disc by the laws of electrostatic attraction and repulsion (e.g. here) it should theoretically be possible to achieve a self-runner.

I came up with some sketches as seen below. The first phase is to test if a charged ruler behind the segment is strong enough to suck in electrons from the grounding and charge the segments up (manually rotating the disc). If it does, then we might have won.
(Sorry, for the second part being german, I stopped translating it as it made no sense for I didn't tried it out yet, also some logical errors might appear which can only be seen while experimenting. You get the idea though, the inner segments are for driving the disc, the outer segments to create the voltage).

[Shanti]

You will never get a self runner like that. The mechanical energy needed to separate the charges at the charging points is always bigger than the electric energy you can get, and with which you then can drive the wheel again.
Only in perfect conditions (zero friction, not corona loss), a self runner would be possible. But then you also wouldn't need all this stuff, for when you have a wheel without friction, it will turn forever...
You do need an energy source!