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Overunity Machines Forum



Otto`s replication of Steven Mark`s TPU

Started by otto, April 17, 2007, 02:32:36 AM

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Mannix

Hey all,
I asked somebody who should know a bout the possible significance of aluminum and copper.

Cryptic as ever but...I hope that it may be of some assistance to our quest.





About the aluminum and copper...
Do you remember my saying something about finding out that heavily oxidized multi stranded wire seemed to poses special qualities where the generator is concerned? I do remember that being the case although we never figured out why or how it could have any effect.


Grumpy

Quote from: gn0stik on June 07, 2007, 10:40:17 AM
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bob, grumpy, chris, gk speak your minds. don't be so thin skinned.
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OK.  I think we are making this too damn complicated.  Overthinking it.

SM had chokes (?) and capacitors in the middle of his rings.  The entire outside appears over-wrapped - just like he stated.  Don't tell me that SM used wire lengths based on a 22.5mm inch.  SM used 3 collectors - not 1 - not 2 - not 4 - three!  He did not state that you had to have three - he stated that three was important and that they could be connected in series or parallel.  I think Otto has taken a turn down another street.

I still hold to the statement that SM made about Tao's comments - "stop the pulse before it reaches the end of the wire".

Quote from: Mannix on June 07, 2007, 11:03:45 AM
Hey all,
About the aluminum and copper...
Do you remember my saying something about finding out that heavily oxidized multi stranded wire seemed to poses special qualities where the generator is concerned? I do remember that being the case although we never figured out why or how it could have any effect.

"Copper oxide" is a semiconductor.  Best copper comes from Chile - somehow it is "different" than copper from anywhere else.  You can still find diodes made from copper oxide - rather large size.  You can heat copper in a fire - wave it around to form the oxide - then use this as a "detector" - old crystal radio trick.

Maybe SM can elaborate - cryptically - about his comments on stopping a pulse in a wire.  Or, if this is not possible - perhaps he can elaborate on "the difficulty he had when measuring the energy in his collectors with normal instruments" in his collectors.  No difficulty is as good an answer.
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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tak22

@Mannix

oxidation of copper is the key to the William N. Barbat patent:

"Applicant has deduced that Leimer's energy magnification most likely was due to low-mass electrons that were liberated and made conductive in the antenna by alpha radiation, which allowed these special electrons to be given a greater-than-normal acceleration by the received radio-broadcast photons. Applicant has further deduced that such low-mass electrons must have originated in a thin-film coating of cupric oxide (CuO) on the antenna wire. CuO is a dull-black, polycrystalline, semiconducting compound that develops in situ on copper and bronze wire in the course of annealing the wire in the presence of air. Such CuO coatings have been observed by Applicant on historical laboratory wire at the Science Museum at Oxford University, U.K., and on copper house wire of that era in the U.S., indicating that CuO coatings were commonplace. In later years, annealing has taken place under conditions that prevent most oxidation. This is followed by acid treatment to remove any remaining oxides, leaving shiny wire."

"Applicant's interpretation of Leimer's experiment is that the liberated low-mass electrons of the semiconductor-coating (copper oxidation) of
the antenna wire were not directly accelerated by the inductive photons of the radio signal, but rather were accelerated to high velocities by an oscillating electric field created in the metallic wire by the radio photons."

Much more to read and understand  here:

http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/PatD25.pdf


gn0stik

Quote from: Grumpy on June 07, 2007, 11:36:39 AM

SM had chokes (?) and capacitors in the middle of his rings.  The entire outside appears over-wrapped - just like he stated.  Don't tell me that SM used wire lengths based on a 22.5mm inch.  SM used 3 collectors - not 1 - not 2 - not 4 - three!  He did not state that you had to have three - he stated that three was important and that they could be connected in series or parallel.  I think Otto has taken a turn down another street.

This has been a mental hurdle for me too. Only two collectors makes it difficult to comprehend why such a fundamental difference from SM's words would produce the effect. Especially since it was so emphasized my Steven. Let's look at the exact quote from SM.

Quote from: SM
About the collector:

It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.


So is he simply saying that each ring uses a different frequency, or is he actually talking about a the control coils here, and mistyped "collector" in the beginning? Why would he be talking about feeding the collector a frequency? Or since Otto has the controls connected to the collector, is that what he means?

The very next line in the same quote reads:

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The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

It's hard to say in this light, is it not?

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I still hold to the statement that SM made about Tao's comments - "stop the pulse before it reaches the end of the wire".

Otto IS doing this (in my opinion). In fact, anyone who is sending multiple pulses down the same wire is doing this, though they may not know it, or realize it, but it's so integrated into their thinking that they just neglect to say it. Think about polarity, and what happens when the positive of one pulse meets the negative of another, as they pass eachother at the same point in the wire. Think Jumper cable experiment.
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Quote from: Mannix on June 07, 2007, 11:03:45 AM
Hey all,
About the aluminum and copper...
Do you remember my saying something about finding out that heavily oxidized multi stranded wire seemed to poses special qualities where the generator is concerned? I do remember that being the case although we never figured out why or how it could have any effect.

"Copper oxide" is a semiconductor.  Best copper comes from Chile - somehow it is "different" than copper from anywhere else.  You can still find diodes made from copper oxide - rather large size.  You can heat copper in a fire - wave it around to form the oxide - then use this as a "detector" - old crystal radio trick.

Maybe SM can elaborate - cryptically - about his comments on stopping a pulse in a wire.  Or, if this is not possible - perhaps he can elaborate on "the difficulty he had when measuring the energy in his collectors with normal instruments" in his collectors.  No difficulty is as good an answer.

This is quite interesting, however if I'm using shielded copper collectors and controls, how do I get them to oxidize? And what does that have to do with aluminum? This is the part that's cryptic to me. Curiouser, and curiouser.

Regards,
Rich

Bruce_TPU

Hey guys,

Thank you Mannix for sharing what SM wrote back.

Now my take on all of this.  Some time ago, I had run across oxidized copper, (oxidized iron, etc).  Anything oxidized will put more ions (electrons) off into the vortex of particles, in particular, oxidized copper.

Now, Aluminum, WHEN HEATED, puts off many Ions (electrons) into the vortex of particles. 

The ALLOY that Otto refers too, puts off TWICE as many, (when Hot) but is STILL diamagnetic.

Again, SM started with one thing and after much research he ended with changes for the better.  Oxidized copper, later R&D alloy, or both.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.