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New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

Started by hartiberlin, May 11, 2007, 12:49:03 AM

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Koen1

Quote from: gaby de wilde on January 24, 2008, 11:23:11 PM
Look here, this is a great suggestion.

http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/garbage.html

Better as that inventions don't get. :) You tell me what there is so hard to understand about it?
You must be joking.
Let me just quote that page:
QuoteBy adding a unit such as an electrolysis machine you can produce all the hydrogen you need for free. This can be used to power your your car or incinerate garbage.

Hydrogen burns at around 3000 degrees so as a result almost everything that is being burnt by this process will be totally incinerated and as we all know, the only byproduct of Hydrogen is water.

Filters can be put on the smoke exhaust that can trap all the harmful chemicals and they can be dealt with in a much smaller capacity as all the bulk would be gone.
That is just a bunch of humbug!
First of all the production of hydrogen by electrolysis is NOT free, you need to input as much (actually slightly more) energy as you get out in the form of combustible hydrogen.
Second, "totally incinerated" only means "reduced to a gaseous oxide form", it does not mean "disappeared". The byproduct of burning garbage (inlcuding harmful chemicals) is not just water, it is also all the oxidised matter that you burnt, including the potentially harmfull materials, and even creating some more toxic fumes that were not in the air before you burnt your junk. So the "only byproduct" is not water, the reaction products are water vapour and various, including toxic, fumes. Air pollution.
Third, yes, filters could be used to filter all toxins out of the fumes, but to produce and clean these filters will cost considerable money and energy, which will need to come from somewhere. So we have the input for the electrolysis device, the input for the filter production facility, and the input for the filter cleaning facility, all needed to dispose of the suggested garbage.
How exactly is that free?

Quote from:  gaby de wildeLet me add: bricks, tungsten or radioactive waste can be burned just like coal exactly as described. Any real scientist will tell you it's impossible.
I do not believe there are many scientists that deny the fact that anything will burn if you heat it hot enough. Do you have any evidence to back up this statement?
QuoteMeanwhile youtube is full of videos showing just that and exactly that. What more is there to explain I wonder? What point is there in explaining anything in addition to this? Any nuclear physicist can do the experiment when-ever they feel like it. But it never happened.
What "experiment" do you mean? The burning of garbage?
Not surprising nuclear physicists don't waste their time burning garbage in my opinion; they have fuel rods and geiger counters to check... ;) Garbage disposal is left to people in that branch of industry, obviously. If you were a bus driver, would you go and repair the hubble telescope, or would you stick to driving your bus? ;)
Or are you referring to the suggested "free" energy in the link you provided? Well that just remains to be proven... I don't see any.

If you are simply saying that all low enthropic state materials can be reduced to high enthropic state while freeing energy that can be used, then of course you're right,
but that's also nothing new. Enthropy, gotta love it. But don't forget, in order to burn them, we first need to make the low enthropic structures like bricks, tungsten rods, and radioactive materials. They don't just grow, you know. We need to refine the base materials, work them, alter their material structures, shape them, until we finally have turned our raw mineral ores and other raw sedimentary materials into the neatly ordered and structured objects like bricks and tungsten rods, and even the quite unnaturally concentrated and nuclearly altered fission materials. Then, we can burn these structures, releasing energy stored in its structure and chemical composition.
But can we ever get more energy out than we put in? Nope.
So what exactly are you so worked up about, Gaby?

QuoteAfter the submarine, the rocket to the moon, the thousand miles under the sea now the ""experts"" want to have a go at debunking Jules Verne's hot air balloon? How is that not laughable I wonder? It's preposterous! ::)
Excuse me?
I must have missed something... Who's trying to debunk the hot air balloon??

dutchy1966

The gravity engine in the attached pdf is VERY similar to Bob's and well explained.......have a look!

regards

Robert

helmut

@ dutchy
The Fuelless Mashine i know since long time .There was a Video via Youtube and shows all moving Parts in Detail.But someone took it from there.
Thanks for the pdf.It will help others to imagine,how the design can be done.

@ Koen1
Some Month ago,someone came up with a prossedure to restrukture waist from garden in to cole
just during the night.
To me it was a breakthrough.But the Newspapers did not present it as a sensation.
Nature needs tausend of years to do the Job.Now one is able to do it over Night.
Yes,there is a input of energy nessesary,but just emagine:if this Energy is produced as free Energy made in a gravity supportet Mashine,than ,many things become reality,including the production of oxygene as a secondary product.
It is known,that dioxides need a high temperature to be burned.But after that,there is no toxic particles left .Thats,what we have learnd about it.
But who knows,perhaps right tomorrow we have an other lesson to learn.

helmut




Koen1

Well, a gravity driven machine sounds great to me :)

I'm just saying that whatever you burn, it has to come from somewhere, and there's only so much energy gain
as was put in originally...
Now I don't know what overnight coal thing you're talking about,
but the artice on using hydrogen to burn waste only says
you can make hydrogen, and burn that, and use that flame to burn your waste.
Yes, you can do that. Be dumping a lot of fumes into the air, but it'd get rid of your waste...

WalterSingletary