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New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

Started by hartiberlin, May 11, 2007, 12:49:03 AM

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dean_mcgowan

Bottom line with all of these ideas is that no matter what path you take in moving masses from point a ....z it is all about gravity and if you move an object from one potential energy state to another it will always take the same if not more energy including friction and other losses to return it in a closed system.
Cheers,
Dean

unity2zero

Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 11, 2008, 05:11:07 AM
Bottom line with all of these ideas is that no matter what path you take in moving masses from point a ....z it is all about gravity and if you move an object from one potential energy state to another it will always take the same if not more energy including friction and other losses to return it in a closed system.
Cheers,
Dean


It is nice an encouraging that this topic becomes hot up and rejuvenated again. Hoping that these discussions would lead to something productive, practical and worthwhile or at least to continue for a long time for the sake of excitement. Hoping it will not die off soon like all other free energy devices discussed in similar fashion. Bob is holding the Nightingale's Light  :)

unbalanced

 I have to concede to your point Dean but I counter with three points. (1) that Bessler's wheel was unique from all the previous designs of mass shifting over-balance wheels in that his wheel alone utilized the potential created by five decending weights to lift only one weight at a time vs several or half of them and (2) he utilized, at least in starting up his wheel, a pendulum that provided external force to aid in the lifting of the individual weights. (3) Bessler's design only needed to lift each weight a small distance beyond the neautral point where in centrifugal force carried the weight the remainder of the distance.

If there exists, even the remostest possibility that Bessler's was a workable design then it would be incredibly remiss of all who take an interest in such folly not to pursue this endeavor to its extremes. A successful wheel of this nature is exactly what the world needs right now on just about every level I can think of.

dean_mcgowan

Quote from: unbalanced on November 11, 2008, 05:41:29 AM
I have to concede to your point Dean but I counter with three points. (1) that Bessler's wheel was unique from all the previous designs of mass shifting over-balance wheels in that his wheel alone utilized the potential created by five decending weights to lift only one weight at a time vs several or half of them and (2) he utilized, at least in starting up his wheel, a pendulum that provided external force to aid in the lifting of the individual weights. (3) Bessler's design only needed to lift each weight a small distance beyond the neautral point where in centrifugal force carried the weight the remainder of the distance.

If there exists, even the remostest possibility that Bessler's was a workable design then it would be incredibly remiss of all who take an interest in such folly not to pursue this endeavor to its extremes. A successful wheel of this nature is exactly what the world needs right now on just about every level I can think of.

Unbalanced,

Point one only disguises the fact in complexity
Point two describes an addition of energy through an external source - ie a pendulum does nothing without a force acting on it
Point three see point one

I agree with you however that even if there is the remotest chance it should be pursued, however basic laws apply and thats why you and I are even here
to discuss such things.

Cheers,

Dean

unbalanced

   I don't put a great deal of faith in any proposition that contains more than one "if" but for the sake of furthering this discussion let us assume for the moment that the input of the pendulum's influence to help in lifting one push rod with two opposing weights was only necessary during the accelleration stage of the wheel;

Visualize a six-push-rod-wheel in stasis. One push rod would be anywhere between 5:00 and 6:00. Now lift the pendulum and let it go. As the pendulum swings the cam shaft, running through the axis, it will swing its cam back and forth under the collar of only one push rod. With the wheel stationary one push rod will ascend and descend with each swing of the pendulum. This scenario assumes that the cam is egg-shaped like a valve lifter in an internal combustion engine. This egg shaped cam would allow the wheel to rotate in either direction. This egg shaped cam will retrieve a portion of the pendulum's momentum as its apex passes the collar and rides down the opposing side of the cam.

This scenario is indeed robbing the pendulum of momentum with every swing but it may be that this added impetus was only essential until 50 RPM was achieved by the wheel at which point the kenetic energy of the wheel was sufficient to do all the lifting.

If there is truth in this last statement, then the rope pictured as wrapped around the axle
extending to the weight out the window as a starter cord, would negate the need of the pendulum as a device that was only necessary during the starting process and relegate it to the purpose of regulating the speed of the wheel only.