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Overunity Machines Forum



New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

Started by hartiberlin, May 11, 2007, 12:49:03 AM

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noonespecial

Quote from: LarryC on August 26, 2008, 10:42:48 PM

@All,
Had a new disturbing idea today, what if Bob K is using the spring force at first then after that loses force, he releases the stored shock pressure to further assist the rise. This would throw our simple design out.

Regards, Larry

Brilliant observation! I was thinking that they just absorbed the shock of the shifting weight. Let's see what Uncle Bob had to say....
"The air cylinders I use as a shock absorber, similar to that in a car and it also stores a bit of energy that locks the 2 weights together almost at the bottom."

So it may very well be that he is using the air cyclinders themselves to 'latch' the weights. He could have valving set up that transfers the pressure at the correct time to release (and possibly assist in lifting) the weights. OK....now what?
Charlie

broli

What absorbed shock? Didn't we all plan on two springs on both side  ;D. That would leave no shock into play and restore the force back in to a spring. But my initial tests (still not finished since I have to do certain stuff manually) shows that it barely reaches to lock itself. I was thinking...what if an electromagnet was used to give a small push at the middle of the way going back just to help it pass the lock mechanism and lock itself. I will soon post a video of the simulation if it's done.

Edit: I just had a flashback of thinking or posting that bob used pneumatic pumps to push it slightly to lock itself. Maybe I just misunderstood when he was talking about his shock absorbing thingie. On the other hand we would have never knew either since there was no sound of the machine. Btw simulation video will follow shortly. I'm starting to think more and more about this idea. In an ideal situation with the most ideal locks without any loses this system should self accelerate without any outside aid. The springs help bring the weights up and gravity does the rest....I think :p. But even a simulation can't be ideal in this case so hence the need for a small aid to make it go that extra cm or so.

LarryC

Interesting thoughts guys!

I'll add a few.

Springs: Since Bob had springs on the ends and bellows in the middle. To simulate, I put bungee cords in the middle so with their length they would not apply tension until they got around 4" to the end/middle. You can see the green in reply 353 (Bob-Machine pic) on each side. It had the eye bolts to add bungees to the other side of the boxes, but wasn't needed yet.

Momentum: I normally try to keep any supporting structure mass on a gravity machine as low as possible, believing that mass should be focused as much as possible into the unbalanced weights to give gravity the advantage. But in this case with one rotor, additional structural mass may be required to pull the unit thru the lift phase. Does the end plates of the unit in Bob K's pic look like fixed weights?

Rpm: It seems a certain minimum rpm will be needed for the centrifugal sling effect to work.

Regards, Larry       

broli

Oke scrap that. The weights not going all the way back is not due to loses but due to gravity  ;D. When it goes back up gravity pulls down on it constantly so it will just barely make it. The bad thing is that extra cm push I talked about is actually a lot of energy....

Btw here's the video...

http://ziosproject.com/NJ/bobW1.avi

As you can see it doesn't go beyond the lock.

AB Hammer

OK Guys

Springs work both ways in energy transfer. They always want to go to neutral position. So for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction. In this device it is obvious.
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan