Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..

[Dingus Mungus]

On the contrary, I'm arguing that SMOT produces energy from nothing. Except for electrolysis in an undivided cell, this is the only other example of a device categorically proven to produce energy from nothing and thus violating the principle of conservation of energy.

Yes Omnibus I also agree with you...
Altho my definition of nowhere varies slightly.
Power from nowhere today will get named/studied then its power from somewhere.
Weather or not that "nowhere" well of energy will be an endless supply is unkown.

~Dingus Mungus

[Freezer]

On the contrary, I'm arguing that SMOT produces energy from nothing. Except for electrolysis in an undivided cell, this is the only other example of a device categorically proven to produce energy from nothing and thus violating the principle of conservation of energy.

Isn't the energy coming from the magnets?  The magnets channeling magnetic energy?  I agree that its just energy undescribed by science.  Its comming from somewhere, we just don't know how it acts and can't actively view it, but its there.  Doesn't it have to be?  With all the energy stored all around us, doesn't it seem more logical its coming from this aether, rather than nothing?  Does anyone really know how magnetism functions on a molecular level or beyond, and how it transfers? 

I've always been interesting in the idea of a motor powered just by magnets and have tried and failed many times, but still I believe its possible.  I feel in my gut that there has to be a way to isolate and shape a magnetic field for directional force, and make a motor out of just magnets.  I think when we get into nano technology and to the point of programing metals and their properties, we could make our own characteristics for magnets and make different metals which would affect and be affected by fields as well.  Who knows, materials in the right configuration could aready be out there.  I don't think manipulating a gate is the answer.  I think having no gate at all is what we need.  Easy to say I know.  Magnets can push, but they also pull it back.  We need a magnet that only repels in one direction.  Magnetic fields are circular or spherical, so we need a metal or reroute the field in one direction.  There has to be some way to create a repulsion force in only one direction right?  I just feel there has to be :/

[dingbat]

I feel in my gut that there has to be a way to isolate and shape a magnetic field for directional force, and make a motor out of just magnets.

My gut disagrees with yours.  While we (I) don't know exactly how a magnet works, we do know a lot about how they behave.  Magnets act as a force on certain other objects.  I think it can be fairly easily proven that you can't create a "closed" system of forces that will continue to cycle (perpetual motion).

A clock can run for a year or more from a wound spring - the spring acts as a force - until it is unwound.  I think any magnetic arrangement will act the same way.  The SMOT is a magnetic arrangement that in the initial position is "wound up".  When the ball is released, the system "unwinds".  The trick is to "wind" the system back up - get the ball back to the starting position - with less energy than will be gained by dropping the ball from the elevated level.

If you picture yourself floating in outer space, can you make yourself move?  Yes, by taking off a shoe or something and throwing it away from you.  You will accelerate in the opposite direction of the shoe.  Now picture yourself in outer space in a large enclosed box.  Throw your shoe.  What happens?  You accelerate one way, the shoe goes the other - then you hit the side of the box, the shoe hits the side of the box, and everything is back to the initial starting point.  You can't change the course of the box floating in space by anything done inside the box.  This is a "closed" system.  No matter what you do inside the box, you will not permanently affect the course of the box.  If the box is at rest, it will be at rest when movement stops inside the box.  If it is moving at some particular speed and direction, it will be on that course when the movement inside the box stops.  The course may be disturbed while objects are accelerating inside the box, but once the movement stops inside the box, the box will be precisely back at its initial condition.

This example may not seem to apply to magnetic arrangements, but it does.  You can't align a bunch of forces in a closed system in such a way as to cause the forces to keep causing movement.  The system will "unwind" and stop at some equilibrium.  For the clock, this occurs when the spring is sufficiently unwound.  For the smot this occurs when the ball is at the top of the ramp.  For magnet motors this is at the "sticky spot".

Now, with outside impulses, I believe the story can be different.  The trick is to find out what kind of outside impulse can be used to rewind the system, that takes less energy than is put in.

This is what Jack is trying to accomplish with his "valve".  The theory is that the energy (about 8 watts) is less than the energy being derived from the rotation caused by the valve.  The 8w is the "winding" power.  The power at the output shaft is the derived power.

Then of course, I could be completely wrong.  The bottom line is, we just don't know.

db

[Omnibus]

@All,

What's the story with Steorn, does anyone know? It's July already. Are they gonna have it on a public display and, if so, when?

[yorkshireminer]

It seems that Steorn are holding the demonstration which will last 10 days at the Kinetic Museum in the  Spitalfields area of London. It should start on the 7/7/07. I hope that helps