Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..

[mikestocks2006]

Hi all,
Here are the motor tests:

http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/MotorValveTests.wmv

Let me know what you think.
Regards,
Steven

Hi Steven,
Nicely done, good comparison of test magnets vs control setup both load and idle.

May I suggest if it is easily doable, to change (both advance and retard) the pulse firing timing vs rotor position and run similar comparisons? It will be interesting to see if there is any different results, due to delay time of magnetization propagation through the cores when the magnets are on. Can you rotate the hall sensor on the fly as the rotor spins and see any changes (positive or negative?)

Thanks for your efforts and posting these clear results.

[tbird]

Hmm yes what I was mean is the fact that a normal (for example dc) motor has a big amp start up surge of say 10 amp. But when the thing is idling at speed, say 1200 rpm unloaded, it is only pulling say 1 amp, why?. That is because of the back emf. Adding the magnetic field of the magnets to the motor valves might cause something like that in the motor in the video.

back emf isn't the answer to your question.  at 0 rpm, the rotor takes a lot of energy to get started.  just like your car, you need a lower gear to start it rolling.  once to speed, the LOAD is less, so less power is needed.

i think your video clearly shows adding magnets makes the electrical needs less for same load.

if you were to watch for anything, it would be not to over saturate the cores.  efficiency drops as flux increases beyond saturation point.

tom

[Elisha]

Steve

Yes, is wise to use with precaution your oscilloscope, for measure use  2 resistor in series between the coil, resistor one 10K, resistor two 90K, set the probe of your scope in 10x, then set the probe between resistor one, the display in the scope is 100:1 the real voltage.  For additional protection set a zener diode of 20V in parallel to resistor one.

For the problem of high current at start up, a big capacitor is all that you need in the output of the pulsed source to the motor.
The capacitor equation is C = I / (V/t), allready know that I = 10 amper.  for V/t, we need the oscilloscope measure.

Steve you can show your circuit diagram?
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[ceres]

Hello Jack Hildenbrand, I wish good improving health especially, spirulina is a good thing,
Hello all, good day to you all,

I have been reading through this thread, trying to catch up with all previous questions and answers.
Please forgive me, when I am repeating remarks or questions earlier made, I try hard to catch up.

Wondering how I could be of a little help, I ran into an initiative called AERO, Advanced Energy Research Organisation, maybe known to you, maybe not, that's why I mention it here to be sure it will not be overlooked.

Jack, this is their website: http://www.aero2012.com/en/index.html

AERO company is offering considerable money for a working device.

Since you have a working device with COP at least higher than 3, meaning in my definition three times more power out than power put in, you mayt have a chance, given you produce test data.

Given this long time to get the patent application approved, maybe there is a way to work with a Non Disclosure Agreement with this company. As you have started this patenting process, your rights should be protected anyway, since I find your motor configuration new and inventive and I presume this nearly cannot be denied by Patent Authorities in the end. Point seems to be you cannot reach this end because the money thing with your Patent Attorney, at least that's my impression, maybe I am wrong.
Also the Flynn thing could be an explanation of this too long delay, just because the patent authorities refuse to understand the fundamental difference between your approach and Flynn's approach.
Basically, I am afraid it is sheer time consuming law and energy politics trying to withhold the approval as long as possible.

Jack, you have invented something new and really monumental, you deserve full reward, whether patented or not.

I hope your health will improve quickly and you will be able to enjoy the fruits of your endeavour soon.

I would like to thank you for all the details and disclosures you already gave to the community, even the last details regarding the generating function of the coil, I regard as a generous present and I want to thank you for these important gestures. You definitely are a rare breed, since not many an inventor is prepared to give away some fundamental details of his invention given the patent application underway. Anybody professional, creative and open minded should be able to build your motor with a COP higher than 3.

Of course, I know, everybody can say afterwards to the guy who invented the wheel, OK, that's what I also thought how it could work. They will shout this. Remember Jack, you are the only one on earth now who can say, my motor/engine is working this and this way and no doubt about it. Those who will not listen have to find out it the hard way or will not find out at all.

Concerning the testing and not being able to withhold the output axle with a rag. It is a matter of time and money and all the testdate must be made available one way or the other.

Personnally I have a preference for the dynometer test, a running car seems to me more vulnerable to suspicious comments, whereas, testdata of a magnet motor like yours are testdata and cannot be denied by some of the right people, as you will understand what I mean.

Regarding some University people, regarding some people, the problem is, they are not open minded to see the sheer unendless new possibilities on earth. Once some people have received a high qualification for something these people get into the mood of knowing everything for sure, this is many times the case with University people. I sometimes call them priesthood caste with dogma's. By definition your motor is outside what dogma is allowing to be possible, so you will be ignored by many.

You know the story of the airplane invention I suppose. The famous academic Lord Kelvin (?) assured that anything with more weight than air could not fly, so humans would never be able to fly, according to his theories. He forgot you can never be sure of the impossibility of the invention of new theories forced by new practices and new experiments by open minded people of all ranks and file. Happily enough a few bicycle builders did not care about academic theory and they started tinkering with success! Was it 1908 they flew the first 200 yards in the air?

I expect the testdata to confirm the "rag test".

In the mean time, maybe this AERO company deserves a good shot to earn some money. They talk about $200.000,- up front for the right device and a $5 million 2 year royalty fee.

Do not get distracted by the numbers, have a good look into their eyes, I hope it will work for you and if it will be working for you, it will be working for all of us as well in the end.

On the other hand, better have money as a reward than a patent approval, although anybody can understand you prefer to have them both.

Good health, kind regards, good luck from Ceres

[JackH]

Hello ceres,

I tryed to send them an e-mail with some pictures and a letter but I couldnt get there address to work.     info@aero2012.com 

I'll maybe call them Monday.   But I dowt if there will beleive me either.    I do not sound very good on the phone.  My voice is leaving me because of the ALS.

I could not even get a phone number from them.  If somebody else could call them,  or send them a fax I would appreciate it.  My e-mail address is:  jkcc@ohiohills.com



Thanks alot,,,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand