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Overunity Machines Forum



Wankel Magnet Motor

Started by molux, May 30, 2007, 04:15:17 PM

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Paul-R

Quote from: Honk on July 05, 2007, 05:21:14 PM
I've been doing lot's of research on the Magnetic Wankel Motor the last couple of days.
It's a very interesting idea of having just one stroke per revolution to keep it spinning.
But the sheer lack of real scientific information on the internet tells that there is really
nothing special with the Wankel motors that could provide overunity.

Topm Bearden suggests that the "regauging area" is where the energy movement
takes place, a key to the overunity energy equation:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm
Paul.

Honk

The acctual magnetic sideway push force of an angled acctuator system like the Wankel motor is just
a fraction of the total push force from the magnets which work against the rotor shaft, e.g the center of
the circular movement. A wankel motor does simply not have the properties needed to reach overunity.
In the free spinn loop there is very little power to push the rotor magnet forward, and even in a system
using very strong neodymium magnets that are tilted to get maximum torque and RPM it's still very weak
compaired to other solutions.
When free looping any load will rapidly brake the rotor. The only point where the push force is really
strong is in the gap of the motor where the electro magnet is placed.
Therefore the Wankel concept ain't taking of as a serious motor alternative.

It does work but it can't deliver the torque needed to produce any real solid output.
Another bad feature is that the motor cannot be fed more current to produce more power like
an ordinary motor. Once the electro magnet have a strong enough magnetic pulse to swing the rotor
past the bump you can't increase the power output from the motor by increasing the kick pulse power.
It's the use of strong magnets and the angle of their magnetization direction that determines the
strength of a Wankel motor.
Compaired to other motors the Wankel is a high cost and limited output motor with no usuable features.

In my book Tom Bearden is a scam artist full of bogus. Nothing he's ever been involved in have ever
been proven to work. It's just his own words and no independent test reports to prove his statements.
Magnet Power equals Clean Power

IronHead

If you guys would like to see the flux lines you are dealing with . Try this
http://www.magnetostatics.us/index.htm

Paul-R

Quote from: Honk on July 06, 2007, 11:52:00 AM
The acctual magnetic sideway push force of an angled acctuator system like the Wankel motor is just
a fraction of the total push force from the magnets which work against the rotor shaft, e.g the center of
the circular movement. A wankel motor does simply not have the properties needed to reach overunity.
When free looping any load will rapidly brake the rotor.
Interesting.
What was the output shaft power on your motor, and what was the joule  input to the coil?
Did you re-use the back emf?
Paul.

Honk

I have not built an entire motor. I have just tested magnets in the angled configuration
as the wankel motor. These simple test made it pretty clear that not much of the force
was directed to push the rotor around. But towards the shaft the force was tremendous.
I used very strong N50 neomags in this test, 0.75" long, 0.4" wide, 0.3" thick. Very strong and
almost impossible to work with. A lot of frustation but I finally got the result I was looking for.
Magnet Power equals Clean Power