Chas Campbell free power motor

[argona369]

>Humbugger ~ not long for this world my friends

Sorry to hear that Humbugger,

We worked up to a frenzy of continuous 24/7 dive bombing chem spraying
over your house.
Sorry for all the wheezing and coughing we?ve been causing.   

Mark:

Deathbed request...will you and rMuD and Mark and Hans take over for me after I croak or get banned?  It would settle my heart and soul.  Your post echoes my sentiments exactly and in fewer, less "pointy" words.

Humbugger ~ not long for this world my friends

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Stefan,

It does not matter how many balls you have waiting on the bottom ramp, or on any ramp for that matter.

What matters is that for every ball that does work a new ball has to be brought to the starting position. even if you had a 1:1 relationship on both sides of the equation (which you do not have because of friction losses and dead time and force because when the ball is on the ramp it is not doing any productive work) the best you could hope for is equilibrium, there being not enough energy in the system to create an imbalance.

Perhaps you remember the analogy of a scale when we first learned to do algebra, you had to do THE SAME THING ON BOTH SIDES.
What you are trying to do is to add something to the right side that is not available to subtract from the left in order to create an imbalance.

Hans von Lieven

PS: Perhaps "Professor" Evert will lend you some of his Aether energy :-)

[Humbugger]

So Humbugger,
what about this ?
10 balls in play game,
enough waiting to get picked up.
If the upper left ball at 11 o?clock is on the upper ramp,
wheel is stopped shortly, so the ball can roll out and get the next red
ball to propell the wheel ?
So who is showing me the error in my torque calculation
of the 3.9 to 3.6 advantage ?

Thanks.

There is something wrong in your chart, I think.  It is hard to explain without pointing and showing - alas the Interent - but I will do my best.  You notice how the receptacles in the outer wheel are not evenly spaced?  I think you simply moved the receptacles in the outer wheel to where they would line up with the ramps, without accounting for where they actually need to be for the system to work.  You will notice that if you try to trace a straight line, you cannot get from the ball in the outside wheel receptacle to the corresponding ball in the inner wheel.

That is correct.  Stefan is using the new over-unity magic instantaneous auto-aligning Campbell Corporation Panacea brand ball cup receptacles which move around on the wheel at his wish.  He has threatened to put them on read only if they disobey.

[Humbugger]

>Humbugger ~ not long for this world my friends

Sorry to hear that Humbugger,

We worked up to a frenzy of continuous 24/7 dive bombing chem spraying
over your house.
Sorry for all the wheezing and coughing we?ve been causing.   

Mark:

Deathbed request...will Mark and rMuD and ShruggedAtlas and Hans and Tinu and Argona360 please take over for me after I croak or get banned?  It would settle my heart and soul.  Your post echoes my sentiments exactly and in fewer, less "pointy" words.

Humbugger ~ not long for this world my friends

You're that pissed just because I left you off my deathbed legacy wish list?  I apologize.  I'll correct that immediately.  And I thought the wheezing was from those funny cigarettes I've been smokin'.

[rMuD]

In other words, once again, when the cup with the ball in it gets to the exit ramp and moves out of the big wheel's cup and onto the ramp, at that very moment, no matter there may be 87 balls waiting and ready to get into the next available entry cup from the top ramp, the receiving cup isstill a whole foot away from being in position to receive a ball.  

So what about having more balls waiting on the lower ramp, than are on the upper ramp ?
Then you could easily stop the wheel and wait until the next ball has gone 4 x distance out and
still have a next ball at the lower entrance to go upwards !

It's a closed system, if you have any extra going up or down..  it will run out of balls top or bottom...   you can have as many balls as you can fit in the queue, so you don't have to wait for ball to roll from the outer wheel to the inner wheel.. but that is of no consequence

the machine at 4x scale will have no weight...  negative torque machine will running backwards, all the weight pushing down on the upswing side with no weight to counter act it on the down side, runs nice as slow til there is no ball on the down stroke and then goes from a 0 or your .3 positive to a negative -3.6 differential for 8.3% (2.5 degrees) of the time gives your  -0.3 loss to equal it out

and whatever math you use it's going to be equal on both sides, even with a catastrophic failure with no weight on one of the sides

honestly with a catistropic failure beyond 3.87x larger I though you would have caught on that it was harder to dispute that running the machine backwards is actually more complex to prove it's unity in theory and could be self sustaining than keep fighting that it could work going forward at 4x