Chas Campbell free power motor

[RoadRunner]

Hi,
I've been reading lurking for a short while, reading about Mike's capacitor driven bedini motor and Chas Cambell's wheel (bless that guy, he's a star).
However, I am horrified at the willful ignorance and downright stupidity displayed in this forum.
I'm not a skeptic. I believe that there are 'free energy' systems to be found and harnessed. Haven't we already succeeded in such with hydroelectric power ? Clean, safe, renewable. More energy out than it takes to maintain. People like Chas, Bedini, Naudin and others may well stumble upon something that takes humanity to a new level in respect of our use of natural resources.
Having said that, I think we need the skeptics. I try to remain skeptical and impartial when evaluating a system. It's all too easy to look for the results you want to see...
Humbugger may not be the most tactful of posters, but he's withstood post after post of insults and snide comments from certain members of this forum, without stooping to their level and indulging in a tirade of insults and abuse.
He tried time and again to patiently explain to Stephan why Chas Cambell's wheel wouldn't work and Stephan repeatedly missed the point and asked for torque calculations for a system despite having been shown umpteen times that no matter what the torque calculations showed for any given moment in the cycle, overall, the system would fail. I can understand why he was getting frustrated... I was getting frustrated reading it !!! Despite his frustration, he remained reasonably calm and collected. He was attacked at every opportunity by Ash and eventually banned... for being patient Hmmmmm...... Isn't an internet forum a great place One can silence the critics by pressing the 'ban' button instead of using reason...! Well, if you ain't got the facts to support your position, you've always got the 'ban' button, eh Stephan ?

As for Zero.
Heck, boy... You've been told a number of times that you need to brush up on your physics and that you don't know what you are talking about...
It's because of your willful ignorance and constant straw-man arguments that I signed up to this board...
You think you've got some superior secret knowledge because you think you know how to perform a one-inch punch ? You know zip !!!!
Here's an experiment for you and don't even bother to respond to me until you've gone away and performed it because otherwise I shall just point out that you are being willfully ignorant once more.
I don't want to hear more straw-man arguments about teeters and kegs of beer...
There's a BIG difference between dropping something and letting it roll down a slope and this is where you are setting up straw-men.
Take a set of scales - The sort that you might find in your bathroom.
Take a large heavy weight that will roll. Weigh it. Write that weight down.
Now, take something that you can place on your scales which will give you a slope, down which you are going to roll your weight. Tare the scales so that they display 0.0 once more (thereby eliminating the weight of your ramp from the equation).
Now, this ramp represents Chas Campbell's tubes... The ones the balls roll down and go SMACK when they hit the end...
Right now, I'm not interested in that smack... We know that it imparts energy, that's not in dispute, the Newton's Cradle is working proof of that. What I am going to demonstrate to you is from where it gets that extra energy and hopefully you'll see why those who know what they are talking about are telling you that you don't. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Zero... They're right.

Place your weight on the ramp on your scales and allow it to roll down the ramp, falling off the end and off the scales.
Did it show the same weight as when it was sitting still ?? No. Why ?
Gravity will pull the weight downwards but, the ramp translates some of that downward force into lateral force. The weight is pushed sideways. Therefore, when being displaced by the ramp, the weight registers less on the scales.
This has nothing to do with riding up and down a train carriage on a trolley being pushed by someone else... That's just another straw-man argument. The big difference between your straw-man and the genuine case is that in your scenario, the trolley and train are on the level and the trolley is being pushed or pulled. If your train was heading downhilll and the guy was riding on the trolley, being pulled downhill by gravity, then he would apparently weigh less if he were also riding a set of scales on that trolley... This is because the support (the train), is falling away from him... NASA use the science behind this phenomenon to create what we know as the vomit-comet. The plane falls away from the passengers at the same rate that they fall to Earth, thereby simulating the conditions found in orbit. Freefall.
Chas' tubes and his pool-balls aren't in freefall, of course, but the rotation of the wheel (in effect, the tube falling away toward ground) and the slope of the tube (again, falling away toward ground) lessen the effect of the ball on the wheel.
In other words. A ball rolling down a tube on a wheel will not impart as much force due to gravity as a ball sitting in a cup at the end...
So, the energy required to displace the ball laterally has been robbed from the system. If that ball were sitting still in a cup on the edge of the wheel, it would be placing all its weight there for the entire arc. The ball isn't placing all its weight at the edge of the wheel because the sloping tube is preventing that from happening.

I could be totally wrong about all this. I'm not a qualified engineer but when I see qualified engineers and physics professors telling a kid he's wrong and that kid keeps arguing and demonstrating the vast chasm between his ego and his knowledge it makes me wonder about the meaning of the name 'Zero'.. Does it refer to your IQ, your amount of common-sense, your knowledge of the world around you, your attention-span, your ability to comprehend simple explanations or your willingness to learn and understand ?

Stephan, after seeing how you moderate this forum, allowing it to be a circus of abuse and ignorance, banning those who try to remain patient in the face of idiocy and insults and permitting snake-oil salesmen and dumb kids to post unhindered and unchallenged, I think I've seen enough.

I was thinking of joining up and sharing my experiences (my SSG is sitting next to me running, right now) but this thread has quite put me off.

My respect and admiration to those who patiently and carefully take the time to explain, to those who diligently try to replicate and also to those who take the trouble to understand, you are this forum's only saving grace.

People like Zero, Ash and the other snake-oil sellers... Well... You guys are ten-a-penny.

The RoadRunner..

[sm0ky2]

Here is a simple experiment to prove this concept::

Start with a Lever, fulcrum placed at a 2:1 ratio

a bucket on each end to hold the balls.

now incorporate a mechanism to dump the buckets (or otherwise release the ball) into a bowl.
1 bowl is at the top of the short end, other bown is at the bottom of the long end.

Now - To begin the test, place a ball in each bucket and align the lever so that the long end is all the way up, then release. 
You will find that the lever will move and their balls will be in their respective buckets.

attaching several of these levers around the axis of the wheel is just a step away.

[shruggedatlas]

Here is a simple experiment to prove this concept::

Start with a Lever, fulcrum placed at a 2:1 ratio

a bucket on each end to hold the balls.

now incorporate a mechanism to dump the buckets (or otherwise release the ball) into a bowl.
1 bowl is at the top of the short end, other bown is at the bottom of the long end.

Now - To begin the test, place a ball in each bucket and align the lever so that the long end is all the way up, then release. 
You will find that the lever will move and their balls will be in their respective buckets.

attaching several of these levers around the axis of the wheel is just a step away.

I cannot tell if you are pulling my leg.  You realize that the lever only lifts the ball halfway up the height of the long side?  This means there is no way to get a ball from the bowl on top of the short side to the bucket on top of the long side.

[sm0ky2]

EXACTLY!  Which is why the placement of the ramps is so important.

there is a range outside of which you either have too little dropping distance to impart the necessary force on the wheel, or your ramps are not steep enough to deliver the balls horizontally to the other side.

[zero]

"I could be totally wrong about all this. I'm not a qualified engineer but when I see qualified engineers and physics professors telling a kid he's wrong"

  First off,  I do not recall Hum telling me I was wrong on what I was saying.  In fact, others
were not understanding what I was referring to, and mixing things up.

Also, I do not have to believe that Hum was an engineer.  And or if he was, whats to say
that he was not being intentionally misleading...


I understand that the weight will be less when its moving down the Tube.. however,
because of the very short time its traveling the tube.. the partial gravity loss
is fractional and not a concern at all.    And, the energy output at the end,
which others at first were not understanding... and overlooking... IS
a factor in power that needs to be accounted for. (and was not!, and still has not!)

Also, your vomit comet plays no role in the discussion because the wheel is
rotating too slow to reduce the impact forces much at all.   And or even
the gravity pull of the balls.   If the wheel were really cranking, then Id
agree.. but thats not the case at all.

And finally, Id be willing to bet that you are Hum, under a new account.


Nope, I do not know everything... not even close.  Nor do I fully claim that
the wheel works (with tweaks fixed).   But, I do know that there was
something being overlooked - and to this post, nobody has calculated it
yet.   And or if they do, will probably fudge the values.

The reality of it all is, that just like any of these posts, there will always
be the so called skeptic who has invested interest in derailing attempts
at free energy at the source.   

Its far better to let others fail on their own, and over time possibly find
a working solution... than to accept a strangers math...  or harsh
beatings on a message board.   

Such bad attitudes Never will produce anything but negativity.