Successful TPU-ECD replication !

[Grumpy]

Welcome all.
Does anyone have a (good quality) pic of any of his devices, so as to be able to see any detailed device construction?

There are a few floating around - lok in the "sticky" topics for the TPU.

When I first saw a construction layout, (circa - beginning of this thread), I was surprised to see what appeared to be an Open Ended loop, with 3 (sub) coils on it - usually at 0, 120, & 240 degrees.
These first thoughts were probably misleading, as it's not actually Open-Ended at all.
But one thing I am now wondering about is the 120 degree spacing of the sub coils, to pick off the power.
I think I have also heard some people mention that they get something coming from the "Zero" rather than the node, and were surprised at this.

The coils you are referring to are known as "control coils" and are used to somehow cause energy to manifest in the "collector" (the open loop).

I think you will find that this is because the behavior you are experiencing is due to SWR - Standing Wave Ratio.
(SWR for those that don't know is an AC only situation. ie: Has no relevance to DC).
It's the taught rope scenario: One end attached to the wall, the other in your hand. Introduce a wave in the rope, and it will bounce back to you from the wall.
When you get the wave in the rope in 'resonance', it's like certain points of the rope are stationary, with the sections in between going up & down in perfect unison, rather than random waves traveling back & fourth.
This is much the same electrically.

Curiously, standing waves have been discussed to some degree "offline".  Funny that is now appears here.  Since you brought it up, I will offer that if the "collector" is resonant and open-ended - nodes will be at the ends and no potential will exist between them.  Not usre what happens when you bias the collector or start applying other signals.

Next important point regarding this, is that in a (perfect world) setup, ZERO power is consumed at the Maximum & zero voltage points.
EG: At the SWR Maximum voltage point, it has reached maximum voltage due to no load (in its perfect setup), equating to (acting like) an Open Circuit.
So: Maximum voltage but infinite resistance = no current, therefore no power.
When at its (SWR) Zero voltage point, its acting like a Short-circuit: Maximum current but no voltage, so Zero volts x current = zero power.
But - In your circuits though, maximum current = magnetic field, which you can probably 'tap' into, and collect some usable power.

How many people have tried calculating & designing a perfect resonant setup of the (mobius) coil ?
I saw someone mentioned theirs tuned for 180kHz (?)
I'm wondering if the lack of significant success of many designs is the lack of this resonant tuning for the frequencies being used.
Also, as in radio designs, poor or unclear understanding of the complexities/complications of producing a good resonant setup (often more due to physical rather than electrical considerations), can lead to cross-couplings, interferences, cancellations etc, which can completely destroy its worth.

I was also very interested in the first post of this thread (Successful replication...) where they mentioned what they described as a Shock-wave coming from it when they first turned it on. Would you describe this as an (inaudible) audio frequency wave (such as an ultrasonic wave, which you certainly can feel but not hear [when loud enough]), or perhaps some form of an electro-gravitational wave ??

How does this sit so far ?
I'm completely open to any & all discussion/criticism on this.
I realise there are some things in this caboodle which step Outside normal electrical theories, while some (observed phenomenon) will easily fall within them.

Thanks for listening, Hope you haven't chewed your leg off from boredom...
Jeff.

PS: Sorry, but I'm also another one of "Those" Apple Mac fanatics.  Death to Microsoft !       *grin*

You bring up a good point - "tuning" - SM (or was it Mannix?) mentioned early on that there was a relationship between the lengths of the coils - this is all but forgotten now.

September 27, 2006

It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"

Not sure how standing waves equate to a DC output...

[Jeff B]

Thanks for your comments... 
It gets a bit overwhelming, when there are just SO many pages, on so many threads. Makes it difficult when you work 2 jobs, so only have an hour or 2 each evening (if I'm lucky).

I'd like to ask another question (before my eyes give out completely).
Hopefully I'm not repeating a previously answered question, (but chances are I am) -

With all the talk of collecting the extra power from the aether (or where ever), has anyone with a working TPU had a look at what effect they get if they tip the TPU to the VERTICAL position, rather than horizontal on the desk ?

If we were talking about tapping into the earths magnetic flux, it seems to me that it would be crossing the face of the earth, not coming up through the ground & into space (relating it to wanting the flux to travel through the centre of the TPU).

OR - Does the flux have to pass from one side of the coil to the other, to create a phase difference across the coil (on the basis that the flux is an ever changing thing, not a static field such as a magnet)

OR - Does this have nothing to do with the mode of operation ? Is it picking up the random resonances (Schuman or otherwise) from the surrounding fields.

I'm thinking about the operation of a TWT (traveling wave tube - a big (usually) microwave amplifier for those who haven't come across one before [basically a specialised type of electron valve]).
In the case of a very large radar, the incoming signal is passed into a (wire) helix that is situated in the path of the electron flow (from the cathode to anode).
The electron flow Imparts vast amounts of power in to the injected signal as it travels down the helix.
For example: 45kV across the TWT, 14 Amp helix current (electron flow) ->  Injecting a (? from memory) +14dB signal in (freq of 1.214 to 1.4GHz) can result in a 250KW+ output for the radar. (My eyes aren't the only thing giving out just at the moment  ).
Although this all relates to normal electrical theory, if we could hope to get even a portion of this from our TPUs, we'd be in heaven.

Actually, thinking about this, and relating it to the "Helix" model, has anyone tried winding their collector as a Stacked in-line coil (ie: like the thread of a screw), rather than just  next to each other ?

I'd best be off now - told the wife I'd be in bed an hour ago. 

Ta, Jeff.

[Grumpy]

This is the short reply:

Later TPU's did not have the orientation problem that the early one did - which stopped when flipped over.

SM believed at one time that the energy came from th Earth's magnetic field.  He lare stated he did not know where it came from and later stated that it was the knowledge of the coils and how they interact.  I essence, SM figured out how to make electrons flow in a wire with very little energy input.

I am familiar with TWT's (also called TWAT's). A travelling standing wave might be a good descriptoin of what happens in the TPU - but I don't know. 

The DC output is what I would expect if you could drag a magnet across the wire continuously at high speed.

Actually, thinking about this, and relating it to the "Helix" model, has anyone tried winding their collector as a Stacked in-line coil (ie: like the thread of a screw), rather than just  next to each other ?

If a corkscrew, which direction?  CCW or CW?  Start at bottom or top?

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[otto]

Hello all,

@John M

exactly: no problem to light a 100W bulb but the control is the problem. There are 7 patents only to control the beast. OK, I see you made the 50 turns test. Now try to pulse this coil with 3 MOSFETs and of course 3 oscillators and 3 frequencies.
Of course there will be another pdf when the time comes.

@All

For now Im building a tube oscillator for sine waves. Its a f...g job. As I builded a biiiig transmitter I almost cant drive this TPU with MOSFETs.

You all have to understand 1 thing: with SS - MOSFETs - its almost NOT possible to have a good working TPU!! Yes, I had 3 runaways with my SS driven TPUs but I was working like a idiot to achieve this.

With TUBES its not sooo a hard work. Of course you all have to understand how a tube works, how to connect it....

NO, dont ask me how to connect it. Im a newbi with tubes but a lot of you missed how the output signal of a TPU looks like: SINE WAVES AND ON TOP OF THIS SINES ARE KICKS.

Now imagine the plate voltage of a tube is 200VDC!!!! WOOOOW!!!! And now imagine the heating voltage of this tube is 12,6VAC. Again: WOOOOW!!!!!

END RESULT WHEN THIS 2 VOLTAGES COMES TOGETHER: SINE WAVES WITH KICKS ON TOP.

Otto