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Scope shots of clean kicks

Started by bob.rennips, June 26, 2007, 11:07:47 AM

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bob.rennips

Quote from: sugra on July 02, 2007, 09:20:23 AM
Hi Bob:
   Could you tell me how you have the diodes hooked up.  As in are both cathodes towards the ground side? Would seem correct to me. Just want to be sure.

sugra


Yes. See attached.

EDIT: Attachment edited to remove the incorret 1H label on the inductor and to add information concerning using insulation.

Thaelin

   @Bob:
   Is this a sim or real life? 1 Henry is a really big coil   lmao. Kind of reminds me of HS when our teacher made reference to 12 Farads in a cap. Now a days, not so out there.

sugra

bob.rennips

Quote from: sugra on July 02, 2007, 10:34:39 AM
   @Bob:
   Is this a sim or real life? 1 Henry is a really big coil   lmao. Kind of reminds me of HS when our teacher made reference to 12 Farads in a cap. Now a days, not so out there.

sugra


This is real life - 100% on a real scope results.

Try it - it's repeatable with any coil as long as you use two diodes and sweep the frequency to find the point where the held voltage is largest.

I used the sim. applet as it's easy to draw out a diagram to ensure there was no communication problem.
1H is the default value the sim. puts on any inductor drawn - I didn't notice it was just a quick drawing for you!

giantkiller

Quote from: bob.rennips on July 01, 2007, 07:06:06 AM
I think the follow shot is of a diode in the 6 inch tpu.

Great post Bob! This will be easy to implement in the current ECD.
This same diode could be in the wire bundle of the SM17 at the inner toroids. It is wrapped in tape but we've seen this shape of leads before in our electronic adventures of life.

The (17_32)? in the 17.zip post by Marco is a clear shot. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg37542.html#msg37542
I am still curious about the SM17 having matching pairs of circuits. Only 2 sets, like the coil is spilt in left and right halves and 2 sets in each half of the circuit.
Only 2 of everything. Shown symmetrically too.

I am interested in what you think.

--giantkiller.

bob.rennips

Quote from: giantkiller on July 02, 2007, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: bob.rennips on July 01, 2007, 07:06:06 AM
I think the follow shot is of a diode in the 6 inch tpu.

Great post Bob! This will be easy to implement in the current ECD.
This same diode could be in the wire bundle of the SM17 at the inner toroids. It is wrapped in tape but we've seen this shape of leads before in our electronic adventures of life.

The (17_32)? in the 17.zip post by Marco is a clear shot. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg37542.html#msg37542
I am still curious about the SM17 having matching pairs of circuits. Only 2 sets, like the coil is spilt in left and right halves and 2 sets in each half of the circuit.
Only 2 of everything. Shown symmetrically too.

I am interested in what you think.

--giantkiller.

I can't tell if there's a diode in the SM17 pic - too indistict IMHO. I do believe that diodes are a part of the smaller unit so it makes sense they would also be part of the larger unit.

You are definately on the money on everything being in pairs. Those two yellow cylinders in the center are 1000 volt caps IMO. The two Black capacitors right next to the coil have resistors soldered to the leads. They are right next to the coil because THEY HAVE TO BE. It would make more sense to mount them in the middle otherwise. And why are they near the coil ? - because they form an LCR, one for each coil, and the lead lengths are critical for the resonance. All IMHO of course. Alternatively the caps could be smoothing caps and the resistors are there to limit ringing on the output ?

One of the cut-coil pics showed the top and bottom coils looking like horizontal wound flat ribbon wire. I'm thinking the symmetry is top - bottom, as opposed to left- right. This might explain why this TPU is so thin and tall. Tall to separate the coils. Wasn't there some strange 'wooly' like material between the top and bottom coils ? Perhaps there is also a capacitance effect going on between the top and bottom coils.

I think the small toroids in the middle are high-frequency choke coils.