HHO Implosion Engine Study

[IronHead]

This started in High Voltage HHO

found a page here about a browns gas electrolyser.  claiming 2400 liters per hour of browns gas in a 126 series plate setup at 11 amps at 240v.  converted to dc of course.    so with added frequencies.... more powerful gas in large amounts

http://amasci.com/weird/bgf1.html

Cost to Operate Compared to Oxy-Acetylene: p42 " Here we are paying about 4 cents per kilowatt hour.(Canada) Our 2500 Liter/hr electrolyzer draws about 10 kwh. This is 40 cents. At present, this electrolyzer uses about one liter per hour of di stilled water,when producing gas at 2500 liters per hour. I buy my water at 25cents/liter. Total cost per hour=65 cents. I bought my own little oxygen (50 cubic feet) and acetylene(40 cubic feet) bottles years ago. The deal is,I exchange these bottles f or full ones whenever I need more gas, paying for the gas but not paying rent on the bottles. It so happens that if I use my bottles down to dangerously low pressures, I can get 2500 liters of volume out of them. So, if I use gas at 2500 L/h, I can get o ne hour of use. It costs me $52 to fill these bottles. So, total cost per hour is $52. Thus my cost to operate the Brownââ,¬â,,¢s Gas torch is nearly 99% less. ââ,¬Â¦If I was paying `18 cents per kilowatt hour to operate the Brownââ,¬â,,¢s Gas torch, it would cost $2.05/ hour to operate. (distilled water included) This would be 96% less operating cost. p42.

If Brown's Gas is exposed to a heat source, it will expand. Implosion of this expanded gas will utilize atmospheric pressure. Numerous pumping applications and the development of atmospheric implosion motors are the result. Implosion, as a single react ion, only occurs with this gas and is impossible with other known substances! When Brown's Gas burns, it turns into water. When it is produced from water using electrolysis, it expands 1,860 to 1. Implosion is achieved with a high frequency spark of 9,00 0 Volts or higher. When subjected to electric ignition. it uniquely implodes (patented in March, 1990 after 8 years process time) producing a near perfect vacuum. Upon implosion, vacuum is 1,859. The remaining "1" becomes once again a pure form of water. Only a low decible "ping" accompanies the implosion. The speed of detonation (or burn rate) is greater than 3,600 meters per second. There is no contraction - expansion effect when the gas is imploded only contraction. Little heat is lost to the equipment in an implosion cycle. The low cost of gas production than ensures an inexpensive method for production of ultra high vacuum.   


so... stanley meyers injector which disassociates water and then uses electricity to ignite it.... hmmm 

I need to do this .
"vacuum is 1,859. The remaining "1" becomes once again a pure form of water."

This type of and engine would need no exhaust  just a water return and no intake  just a HHO injection. And from what I am understanding no cooling as there is little heat transfer. Will start experiments based on implosion  and use a pneumatic
cylinder for the engine simulation to start if I can maintain implosion.

Good cylinder for testing implosion effects.

[IronHead]

according to that paragraph it may need to be heated first.  its says it expands when exposed to heat.. then you can implode it.  so when the torch burns it at around 300 degrees and you expose a voltage potential to it..   sounds alot like the center of a vortex   diassociation of water.. high voltage.. heat from the friction of water spinning and imploding onto itself

Heat  ,gotcha  induction heat the implosion chamber  n/p


Anyone else like to get in on experimenting with this?

[s_c_engineering]

now be careful when your doing all this.  have you seen what happens when you expose a 150 psi air tank when you expose it to vac... its not very happy about it to say the least.     so  how much vac do we get from 1860 to 1/1860 the size and what sort of volume are you talking about in an engine cylinder.... how much vacumn can a piston in a standard car engine take? or the valves before they get sucked into the cylinder. this may be a matter of taking the head off and putting a plate on it with no space in between the piston and the head.  i just dont want anything to happen to anyone.  these forces are huge.  BE CAREFUL is key 

[IronHead]

I am a firm believer in relief valves and a receiver in case the rod blows out instead of being sucked in. I have seen propane tanks blow, a micro nuclear explosion in a bomb box not made to with stand such a thing, a blower of a 600cu  nitro blowen hemi  rocket to about 30 feet in the air ,plasma ball  burn a hole in the ceiling and a few other things I wont even try to describe ......... and this is with in the last year 

I just don't think a piston engine is going to work here .One is the added oxygen from the air . Next is the idea of valves we dont need valve at all   no need for intake or exhaust .

I think this thing has to be a vacuum chamber to start , then inject the HHO into this chamber . wait 2 stage  implosion on one side explosion of the other  . I have alot of thinking to do.

This might work in a car engine with a second firing B-TDC or primary firing . Before compression even. No  ,there is a way though


First thing is first ,stable implosion
This is new so my thoughts will be abit more scattered than normal

IronHead

[Robb077]

In my opinion, hho is not for combustion engines. A different approach is to burn the hho gas in a nearly closed chamber which will burn into a plasma. Then steam water to run a quasiturbine motor (see quasiturbine.com) which will run a car with few moving parts....or generate electricity.  Totally different approach....