Self Charging Leyden

[argona369]

Deleted, due to no interest

[sm0ky2]

if you had a series of self-charging layden jars (i.e. - capacitors that charge themselves without any energy input into the system - posibly extracting it from the environment on its own) then you would essentially have an unlimited powersource.

The lack of interest may come from the logistics of such an attempt. Possibly these jars are too large for the ammount of power? or perhaps too difficult to reproduce?

If you have reproducable instructions i would love to give this one a try.

If it proves valid i cna add it to my collection of self-charging caacitor set-ups

[argona369]

The ?Self charging leyden? is in regards to this page,
http://www.esdjournal.com/static/shower/shower.html

[sm0ky2]

The metallic-ink was iionized at the time of spraying onto the bottle. it held this (+) charge (until the soaking in salt water) This problem has been solved in the printing industry, by using materials that dont hold much charge.


this ionization must have been charging the electrolytic fluid in the bottle,
this charge would be induced at a certain time-constant dependant upon the ammount of charged particles (mol count) of the ink on the outside of the botle, and the ammount of charge the ink molecules were capable of holding.

its important to note that the phonomena occuring here is atmospheric induction.

i know it sounds backwards, but the outside of the bottle actually holds a positive charge, which induces an equal but opposite negative charge in the shampoo. this powerful negative charge (being isolated inside the bottle) will attract a spark from anything positively charged that comes within a certain range of the fluid. (opening, hole at top near the neck).

also, the human body can hold a very large charge, which can "feed" the spark.

i think the real question is: how many times would the bottle need to be charged/discharged before all of hte ionization in the paint its balanced out by electric discharge?

i think what this is, is some of the energy from the ionization process charged the paint with a + on the outside of the bottle. and this charge was slowly dissipated by inductive-capaticance.

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Sorry guys, the construction of the Leyden jar is irrelevant. You can use a milk bottle filled with iron filings and wrap the outside with aluminium foil.

The Leyden jar is NOT self charging. The charge is provided by the shower!

For an explanation of the physics involved look up Kelvin Generator, it will show you how this happens.

Hans von Lieven