The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Kul_ash]

Lol. So? You want to tell me you have designed over unit machine here? wow. Congratulations! Thats all I can say. 

Dear Kul_ash,

I am telling you that when there are gravitational forces acting on a system such as in pendulum11.jpg, we can use a small external energy to Lead Out a large "internal" energy.

Pendulum11.jpg is easy to understand - even a primary school kid can understand that.

The question is - if we can Lead Out 1,000 x h units of gravitational energy in a one-shot deal, can we Lead Out any gravitational energy at all in a repeatable fashion?

The brilliance of Lee-Tseung is that they applied the Laws of Physics and Mathematics to the simple pendulum with Lee-Tseung Pulls.  That experiment in pendulum08.jpg or equivalent have been done by students worldwide.  At least 10 million such experiments have been done.

You can do it at home.  If that experiment is not wrong, then slide 3 cannot be wrong.  If slide 3 is not wrong, we can continue our discussion.

If you insist that the experiment represented by pendulum08.jpg cannot be performed, then do it.  We can continue the discussion after your experiment.

Top gun,

There is no energy "lead out" in your experiment. It took work against gravity to pull up those weight at that height! Then when you add 1 kg weight on RHS, it creates a torque with the force of 1001 kg on LHS and it goes up. So in all you have done work two times to lift it. First you lifted it to initial position and then using simple principle of lever, you pulled it even further. There is no energy lead out here. When you are looking at a system as a whole, then you can not just look on LHS. You have to take all the parameters in consideration. Principle of lever is very old. People do lift heavy weights using pulleys and lever. It is just simple mechanics.
So now you have added work to the LHS and if you want to extract it, you will get exactly or less than what work you provided. There is no energy added any where or lead out. Once you cut the rope, then weight will fall down on ground. If you want to repeat the experiment, you will have to lift it again to the desired height.
I believe you are not that naive  not to understand this. If you are believeing that this is leading out free energy, then I say you really need to start from primary physics.

[Kul_ash]

Pendulum8 looks correct, at least the math looks like it would work out if you were exerting force on the bob itself.  (I think it is the same math from before.)  I am not sure what the ramification is from putting the force farther up the string.  But I am not saying it's not right.  It's probably right.  Assuming a massless string, it should not matter where you apply the force.  I am not going to get a calculator out now.

To note, Kul_Ash has a very valid point.  If you apply the horizontal force, it stops being horizontal as soon as the bob moves.  At that point, the force you apply will have a horizontal and vertical component.  It must, because the string forces the bob to change direction.

Dear shruggedatlas,

Thank you for your comments.  Pendulum08.jpg is indeed 100%  correct.

You also raised the valid point from Kul_ash.  I modified pendulum08.jpg to pendulum12.jpg to show that the supplied, constant F need not be horizontal until the final position.  The vertical work done by this constant force F is F x dH. (or 10 x dH Units).  This is only one sixth of the increased vertical potential energy (= mgh = Mg x dH = 60 x dH units).

Where does the remaining 50 x dH units of vertical energy come from???

The only logical physics explanation is - from gravity via the tension of the string!!!

I want to tell you one more thing. In case of pendulum, work is calculated by KE = 1/2 mv ^ 2 formula. Your force is going to give it a velocity and that is how you calculate energy in the system. Pendulum constantly converts PE in to KE and KE in to PE.

You assumption that vertical work done = 10 x dH is also wrong because only the vertical component of the applied force is doing the vertical work.

[Kul_ash]

The 1001 units moved the 1000 units.  You just added the final 1 unit.  So what?  The 1001 units lost 1001*g*h units of gravitational potential energy.  No magic here.

You could have cut the string right from the beginning, and have gotten some energy out of the falling weights for free, without even adding the 1 unit of weight.  Too bad someone else had to hoist them up there for you to get your free energy from them falling.

The point is, your setup in pendulum11 returns exactly the energy that was put into it, minus losses to friction.  It does not logically lead to your next leap in logic, sorry.

Your theory is wrong, and it is contradicted by empirical results.  The only valid experiments that you suggest have nothing to do with your lead out theory.  You cannot show a single experiment that actually shows more energy out than in, and until you do, your theory is nothing more than a wild conjecture.  It is so far from a "theory" in the scientific sense, that it raises doubts as to your scientific credentials.

I believe what you refer to as the only valid experiment is the diagram pendulum08.jpg.  Correct??? Please confirm.

You put the correct physics into pendulum11.jpg.  Note your own statement:
Too bad someone else had to hoist them up there for you to get your free energy from them falling.

In the pendulum with the Lee-Tseung Pull, that someone is gravity!  I wait for your confirmation before further discussions.

Gravity does work in pulling system down and not up. You always show mg pointing downwards, right? How it will do the work in oposite direction? That is what is called as "restoring force". You really need to understand this.
I guess your whole understanding that gravity is inducing energy in string is wrong. The tenstion in the string is increased because of vertical component of the force and its balancing gravity and also providing some vertical work. Gravity is going to be your opponent no.1 when you want to extract work out of system. It always points downwards. What part of this is you do not agree?

You said: "In the pendulum with the Lee-Tseung Pull, that someone is gravity!  I wait for your confirmation before further discussions"

Unless and untill you show why gravity is working in opposite direction, why would any body confirm this? Gravity can never be your friend. If you do not understand this, there is no point in discussing further because its going in loop now. Unless and until you have antigravity, things will never go up, they will come down. You are trying to tell me, that with some "special pull" (which till today, I am not clear, how it is given), you are creating antigravity, then I have strong objection to it. And the fun part is you are trying to prove it with mathematics and physics, which do not acknowledge this phenomenon.
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[Kul_ash]

Dear All,

Many may be asking what has happened to Wang Shum Ho and his Electricity Generator.  Please see the following websites:

http://www.ccecn.com/User/u9457.html
http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%CD%F5%C9%F2%BA%D3

He is no longer an "unknown" in China or worldwide.  He represented China as a top energy expert in the "Asian Economic Summit" in Hainan Island last week.  He will represent China again in the World Productivity Conference in South Africa later this year.

His title, contact address, email and telephone numbers are publicly disclosed.  I no longer need to promote him or his machine.

Second link is completely in Chinese. First links open up some company called chem99 which does not mention any thing in this respect.

Do you have links to pubshiled papers in international conforances or any valuable insight in you theory from some one else? If you have, please give me link, so that I can check them up.
All the sites I googled, show that its you constantly saying the theory is well proven and no body seems to agree with that. Not a single I site! Please let me know, if there are some sites otherwise.
I also visited Tingshua (sorry for the spelling) University. It does not seem to mention such a world changing discovery any where on its site!
I want to know if any student or proff from this university ever published the results and papers on the experimentation conducted. Because when you compare some univ. with MIT, it has to be equivalent in terms of experimentation and publications. MIT proffs and students publish thousands of papers when discovering something of this level. With just one presentation, if you involving the Univ., then I doubt about the University itself. But from their site, I did found that they are doing lots of research and publishing papers. Then why not on such a world changing technology except your presentation?

[shruggedatlas]

Where does the remaining 50 x dH units of vertical energy come from???

Are you serious?  Is this what you are basing "lead out" on?

The pendulum acts as a simple machine, basically a curved incline plane.  If you were to measure the distance the ball travels in the curve and multiply it by force F (10 units), the product would be exactly the same as 60*h.  Everything equals out.  There is no remaining energy.

Otherwise every inclined plane would be an overunity machine.