The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Mr.Entropy]

Still, no proof whatsoever that the simple use of air-valves would allow us to pump a stream of water with air bubbles higher than we could pump an equal amount of water itself...

I'm sure you'll see the evidence at some point.  You can pump water+air higher than you can pump water, and someone will demonstrate this eventually -- if not a 3rd party, then miss Forever.  That demonstration will discredit your posts in this thread, and foster acceptance of Lawrence's more outlandish claims.

It's a trick, you see.  The claim is provable, but has nothing to do with free energy or "lead-out theory".  When you are proven wrong, it will reflect badly on Lawrence's other detractors.  You picked the right side, but you were outplayed, and ended up scoring on your own net.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

[hansvonlieven]

No entropy,

It cannot be done. I have a lot of experience with systems such as this and I know where the limitations lie.

One way valves do nothing but impede the process. For such a system to work all valves MUST be open to let the air stream through, they might as well not be there.

Think it through. Lawrence NEVER did the experiment with the valves or he would have found this out.

Hans von Lieven

[Koen1]

I'm sure you'll see the evidence at some point.  You can pump water+air higher than you can pump water, and someone will demonstrate this eventually -- if not a 3rd party, then miss Forever.  That demonstration will discredit your posts in this thread, and foster acceptance of Lawrence's more outlandish claims.

Well I seriously doubt that. If it were indeed possible to pump an equal amount of water up to 10 times as high using the water+air pumping trick, while not using 10 times the energy, then surely this would have been posted on many a website and forum, including the simple and clear proof in the form of measurements and videos. Instead all we keep getting is blabla from mr Tseung and his alter egos, and surprisingly unclear descriptions.

It's a trick, you see.  The claim is provable, but has nothing to do with free energy or "lead-out theory".

What exactly are you saying here? If the claim is provable, then why has it not been proven yet?
Or do you mean that the claim "water and air together can be pumped higher than only water" can be proven? Well, it might indeed.
But that's not the claim. The claim is that water and air together can be pumped higher than only water, and the SAME AMOUNT of water can be pumped without using more energy than a normal water pump would.
In other words, the amount of water pumped up X meters using the water + air trick is equal to the amount of water that could be pumped up 0.1 X meters at the same input energy. In other words, the energy used to pump the water up using the air trick is almost 10 times lower than the amount of energy needed when we don't use the air trick. In other words, we could pump the water up using the water+air trick and allow it to flow down and power a generator, and get out almost 10 times more energy.
That is the claim mr Tseung has made a number of times.
And it seems to me that the claim thus includes a claim of free energy using his claimed "lead out theory".

When you are proven wrong, it will reflect badly on Lawrence's other detractors.  You picked the right side, but you were outplayed, and ended up scoring on your own net.

Lol. Oh really? I beg to differ.

[shruggedatlas]

I think Entropy has a point.  The foot pump/one-way valve experiment is a masterpiece in accomplishing and proving nothing.  It is the old Tseung misdirection - providing experiments that successfully demonstrate underunity.

Sure, in a way it would be impressive if Tseung got any water at all up to floor 10.  But at the end of the day, even if he does, what does it prove?  You are pumping the air and water by using muscle power, so it is really hard to compute how much force you are putting out.  The one way valves lend themselves to the discontinuous pumping, in a way.  It is sort of like pushing a ball up a flight of stairs and taking a break on every step.  If the pump could pump continuously, then the one-way valves would not be needed, but unfortunately Tseung can only afford the foot pump and not any kind of mechanical device.  I do agree that the one-way valves add nothing in terms of efficiency.

I guess my point is that reflux aside, given enough pedal pumps and enough "rest points", it is not inconceivable that you could get a droplet of water up 10 stories.  But so what?

[hansvonlieven]

Yeah, but every time he stops and the valves close the water rains down onto the valves because nothing drives it anymore.This fills the column with water very rapidly.

He NEVER did this! In fact, if you look at the picture where he runs the pipe a few floors up there are no valves. He just thinks the valves will cure his problem.

Hans von Lieven