The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Pirate88179]

@ Shrugged:

They don't just pass it....it has to be led out.

Bill

[Kul_ash]

But here in this case there is not even a "single demonstration" that something strange is happening and I need to look in to it!

Yes, that and there is no evidence that gravity projects energy somehow.  The sun emits energy in form of radiation, and when its fuel runs out, so will the radiation.  Gravity is a force and, similar to magnetism, requires no fuel, so for gravity to emit "energy waves" forever would in fact violate the CoE principle.

Dear shruggedatlas,

Please contact your university friends.

Gravity does not emit energy waves.  But Gravity exists between any two objects with mass.  Such forces are present so long as there are objects.  Whenever these objects move, there will be exchanges of gravitational energy. 

One cannot define a ?closed system? when gravitational energy is concerned.  There will always be movement of objects ? Sun, Moon, Stars, Cars, and Planes etc.  CoE works in a closed system.  So theoretically, CoE cannot be applied in systems involving gravitational energy.  Or we have to take its effect into account as in the Lead Out.

You can enjoy many long and interesting discussions having beer or wine with your university friends.  Asking them to read through every post in this thread will be too much of a torture.  Just ask them to read the latest presentation slides with notes.

http://rapidshare.com/files/107462223/New_Energy_V8.PPT.html

Dear Mr. Itseung,

First of all I like to make it very clear that I have studied your material very carefully even before joining this forum. I downloaded your patent application along with the comments and your answeres to the International Patent inspectors. I have discussed this with few of the prominent Physics profs and I myself am a Master in Structural engineering. So please do not assume that I read your theory yesterday and commented on it.
Now that being cleared, I will now come to your amazing theory that gravity emmits waves or some thing.
Gravity is a "attraction" force and not like "attraction - repulsion" force like magentism. Gravity of a substance "will" attract you no matter what you are and you have a "weaker" force to apply back. Thats why we are all glued to earth cause it attracts you with tremendous force. Now, if you want to overcome it, you have to give tremendous thrust in opposite direction like a Rocket. That much force is needed to escape gravity.
Now please make this one point clear: If nature of gravity is to attract you, then why would it "lead out" energy to overcome itself? That will be defying all the laws of gravity! Its already doing work by attracting that pendulum towards itself! Why would it give energy to it again to overcome itself? I am even out of imagination here! I thought Newton was next to God and I should believe him as I believe in God. But if you could prove this, I would say you are better that both of them cause you will have so much extra energy that you could built your own Universe one day.
Now my second point: Like in resonance, if you keep applying energy, evantually the amplitude becomes so high that system goes out of balance and goes heywire! If your theory is to be believed then I do not need resonance to achieve this if I do notexract this energy! I can try this by not bringing this pendulum in resonance but still would be able to increase its amplitude. And if I get this pendulum in resonance with pulse force applied at swing, the effect would be devastating withing few minutes. And then if this system brakes down then the additional energy that is in system would be added to nature and there you get the status of God!

[Kul_ash]

Lol. Thanks man for supporting me and calling me intelligent!  I really appreciate that!
The fact is I have been reading these so called "Perpetual Motion Machines" for long time and I have found falacy in most of them. Last was that Milkovic pendulum and hammer. I wrote him many times but as usual  no answer to my questions!

Dear Kul_ash.

I saw your profile and realized that you only registered on the Forum today.  There are over 2000 posts in this thread and the chance of your digesting all this information within a couple of hours is nil.

The chance of getting any more usefull information from reading all those 2000 posts is even smaller. No need to. You just keep repeating yourself.
And more than half of the posts are yours, priding yourself on your own theory and structurally ignoring peoples valid objections.
So far, I have seen Kul_ash post more sensible stuff in the single day that he is a member than I have seen you post in total, "mr Tseung".

You may be using one of the earlier files that jumped a few mathematical steps.  Please read this latest presentation file ?New Energy V8.ppt? so that we would be discussing the same thing.

That seems quite contradictory... So first you tell Kul_ash to go and read all theprevious posts before he is allowed to react to your nonsense,
and then you tell him that a lot of the previous posts contain incorrect info because of your tendency to "jump a few mathematical steps" (for the
sane readers: "make unfounded assumptions and incorrect use of standard formulae"), so now all of a sudden you tell him he must go and download
your very latest version of your slideshow?
Make up your mind, man!
Either he can just take a quick look and use the brain he has already shown to be able to use much more succesfull than you have so far,
and comment on the evidently flawed reasoning on your part,
or he must read all 2000 posts of nonsense.
Not both, and certainly not with that silly reason for it. He has made valid points, and you "Tseung", are once again trying
to avoid giving him a proper answer. As always. I bet you'll log on as Top Gun or whoever and start to support your own
argument in a minute, and then post two pages of bullshit about your fantasy escapades in China, hoping that we are all
too stupid to see that you're just playing tricks to try to distract us and avoid having to give a proper answer. As always.

Post again after you have carefully studied the information. 

No.
I've really had it with you, "Tseung"! 
It's always the same with you.
People ask you a question, making a very good point, indicating that your theory doesn't hold water,
and instead of answering them you start implying they have not read enough of your nonsense, or even
that they are not educated enough. That is not a valid reaction. Stop that!
Answer the damn question!
It is not a difficult question, and Kul_ash has made a good point.
If your theory is valid and proper, you should be able to answer the man!
Refusal to, or more evasive action, will only serve to show your ineptitude.

[chrisC]

@ Shrugged:

They don't just pass it....it has to be led out.

Bill

So, after 2000 plus posts, this mysterious extra energy can be summarized as "Lead-Out" energy which by the way can never be verified and is as mysterious as the other altered egos of Tseung.

For all intends and purposes, shall we now call this "Crap-Out" energy?

@kul_ash

I think you've debunked Tseung in a couple of posts. Well done!

cheers
chrisC

[Kul_ash]

But here in this case there is not even a "single demonstration" that something strange is happening and I need to look in to it!

Yes, that and there is no evidence that gravity projects energy somehow.  The sun emits energy in form of radiation, and when its fuel runs out, so will the radiation.  Gravity is a force and, similar to magnetism, requires no fuel, so for gravity to emit "energy waves" forever would in fact violate the CoE principle.

Dear shruggedatlas,

Please contact your university friends.

Gravity does not emit energy waves.  But Gravity exists between any two objects with mass.  Such forces are present so long as there are objects.  Whenever these objects move, there will be exchanges of gravitational energy. 

One cannot define a ?closed system? when gravitational energy is concerned.  There will always be movement of objects ? Sun, Moon, Stars, Cars, and Planes etc.  CoE works in a closed system.  So theoretically, CoE cannot be applied in systems involving gravitational energy.  Or we have to take its effect into account as in the Lead Out.

You can enjoy many long and interesting discussions having beer or wine with your university friends.  Asking them to read through every post in this thread will be too much of a torture.  Just ask them to read the latest presentation slides with notes.

http://rapidshare.com/files/107462223/New_Energy_V8.PPT.html

Dear Mr. Itseung,

Ok now I have read your new presentation also. Now tell me one thing, again in this presentation, where is the proof of your "lead out theory" which is different than previous one?

Now lets take it slide by slide:
Slide no.3 :
AND THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU HAVE MADE IN SLIDE NO. 3 IS THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN HORIZONTAL FORCE F ACTING AS IF IT IS A CONTINUOUS FORCE. AND THEN ON OTHER HAND YOU CONSIDER IT AS A"PULSE" FOCE!
A STATIONARY PENDULUM IS GOING TO HAVE ITS ON INERTIA AT REST! THEN THERE WILL BE AIR RESISTANCE AND FRICTION AT THE JOINT.
YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT EVEN AFTER OVERCOMING THESE FORCES, THE FORCE ON THE SHOWN DISPLACEMENT WILL BE THE SAME AS THE ORGINAL FORCE APPLIED??
IN FACT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE A PULSE FORCE AT STATIONARY POSITION, IT HAS TO BE MUCH LARGER THAT THE FORCE GIVEN WHEN PENDULUM HAS ACHIEVED MOMENTUM!

IN FACT THIS ANALYSIS IS SOOOOOOOOOOO INCORRECT THAT A SIMPLE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT CAN TELL YOU THIS! YOU HAVE SHOWN THE DISPLACEMENT CAUSED BY A PULSE FOECE F. THAT FORCE HAS ALREADY CONVERTED IN TO KINETIC ENERGY AND GIVING MOMENTUM TO THE MASS OF PENDULU. ITS CONSUMED , ITS FINSIHED. THERE IS NO MORE HORIZONTAL FORCE F ON THAT PENDULUM AS ITS THE MAX DEFLECTION. KINTETIC ENERGY AT THE MOMENT WILL BE CONVERTED IN TO POTENTIAL ENERGY WHICH IS EXACTLY EQIVALENT TO THE WORK DONE BY THE ONE TIME PULSE FORCE!

SO YOUR HORIZONTAL ENERGY AT THAT MOMENT IS GOING TO BE 0 x L sin a = 0

VERTICAL FORCE =  m x g x L(1- cos(a)) = potential energy m x g x h

THATS IT! THATS THE END OF STORY. CONSERVATION OF ENERGY DONE! NEWTON RULES!

I BET YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG ON THIS ONE!

SO YOU ARE BASICALLY WRONG IN SLIDE NO. 3 ONLY. I DONT EVEN HAVE TO LOOK IN OTHER SLIDE. GET YOUR SIMPLE PHYSICS CORRECTED FIRST BEFORE ATTEMPTING OVER UNITY MACHINE!
Slide no. 4, 5, 6, 7

This is the best part. You are considering vertical displacement as a work done by some force. Now correct me if I am wrong: Isnt this displacement come because the string is rigidly attached to a source and it is moving is radial orbit? The inertia or the momentum of the pendulum is responsible to lift is upwards and not the "lead out" energy! I can give you the exact value of its vertical displacement is I know the length of string, mass of pendulum and its amplitude and frequency. Please open any "real" physics book and you will see kids solving these problems.
I have extream trouble understanding that why you are considering this vertical displacement as an "additional" work done? This momentum is clearly gained by the initial lift of the pendulum bob! It has a potential energy = mgh and the is the reason its moving!
Now you are saying that you are applying horizontal force when its potential energy = 0 because it is stationaty! SO I CAN BET YOU, IF IT'S JUST A PULSE FORCE, THE PENDULUM IS NOT EVEN GOING TO MOVE MUCH. IT WILL JUST JERK AND COME TO FULL STOP. IT WILL NOT MAINTAIN ITS AMPLITUDE. BECAUSE YOU ARE DENYING PENDULUM FROM ITS OWN PROPERTY OF USING ITS POTENTIAL ENERGY TO RUN AS A PENDULUM!
IF YOU DO NOT LIFT THE PENDULUM INITIALLY AND JUST GIVING A SIMPLE PULSE FORCE, THEN SYSTEM WOULD BE FAR FROM GETTING IN RESONANCE! OR THAT PULSE FORCE HAS TO BE EXTREAMLY HIGH BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIFT HEAVY PENDULUM HIGH ENOUGH TO GATHER ENERGY. EVEN IT IS GOING TO BE A SMALL DISPLACEMENT ANGLE.

AND I CAN CHALLANGE YOU ON THIS ANY TIME, ANY WHERE! CAUSE ALL IT WILL NEED A SIMPLE PENDULUM. TAKE A SIMPLE PENDULUM AND TRY TO GIVE IT  A PUSH FOR A INSTANCE WITH HAND AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS! YOU WILL KNOW THE PROBLEM IN YOU THEORY. AND YES GRAVITY IS NOT GOING TO BE KIND ENOUGH WITH YOU TO PULL THIS PENDULUM UP.

AND YES, PLEASE READ PENDULUM THEORY AGAIN!