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Bob Boyce TPU thread

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eldarion

#165
October 06, 2007, 11:10:12 PM
Hey Bob,

I came across this post in my Internet cache:
QuoteHey there Palic

You may wish to try to source some NTE87 transistors. They are in a TO-3 case style, and are a better choice than the TIP3055 used by J L Naudin.

In the mid 90s I built a successful replication of professor Shinichi Seike's G-strain energy absorber device using three of the NTE87 transistors as a set. I also used a set of three transformers. The outputs of these transformers were rectified and filtered, fed to a load, and back to the input as well. While running, it powered the load, and put a charge into the battery. When the battery was disconnected, the unit went into overunity runaway, quickly burning out both the load, and the transistors. I went through several sets of transistors before I eventually shelved the experiment for a later date. It was interesting to note that the heat sinks on the transistors would frost up every time, just prior to the voltage rise wiping out the transistors. It was as if a peltier effect was taking place in the transistors.

Bob

Is there any way you could post a schematic for that circuit?  It sounds very interesting, and if I leave it hooked up to a battery I could study it and use the knowledge gained to get my controller working better...maybe even get the coil online and running properly... :)

Thanks!

Eldarion

EDIT: I have been going over the attached two schematics, and noticed that Seike is simply using a blocking oscillator on each of the three primary coils.  It looks like this would give a free-running self-resonant three-phase oscillator--i.e. as each oscillator fires, it will trigger the next one in line.  Is this what you built?  It is a concept that Steven Mark had confirmed as correct...
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Grumpy

#166
October 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Try separating the ground of the secondary from the others so that it's output is by pure induction, and no I do not mean "electromagnetic induction".

It may help for all to view these devices as something that pushes the ambiant potential, which pushes back - harder - similar to what Bob has said.  Kinda goes with some of SM's words too.



It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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eldarion

#167
October 07, 2007, 01:12:05 AM
Quote from: Grumpy on October 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Try separating the ground of the secondary from the others so that it's output is by pure induction, and no I do not mean "electromagnetic induction".

It may help for all to view these devices as something that pushes the ambiant potential, which pushes back - harder - similar to what Bob has said.  Kinda goes with some of SM's words too.

Grumpy,

I am sorry, but I do not understand.  Right now both the signal generator ground and the secondary coil ground go to Earth ground.  Are you asking me to leave a ground wire floating, and if so, which one?

Also, could you please elaborate on the type of induction (is it electrostatic)?

Thanks!

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
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Earl

#168
October 07, 2007, 07:04:41 AM
Hi Eldarion,

here is a simplified, generic version of Seike's self-swinging 3-phase WYE oscillator.
Both primary and secondary are in WYE.

The oscillator feedback is at the electrically "cold" end of the primary, in traditional, classical HF radio fashion.

If the gain of the inverting amplifier is high enough, I don't see any reason to use two for each oscillator WYE leg.

See also my recent post at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg52902.html#msg52902
for a self-swinging 4-phase quadrature oscillator.  This type of oscillator does not need any secondary coils for feedback.

Regards, Earl
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Bruce_TPU

#169
October 07, 2007, 09:50:43 AM
@ All

I just want to make a correction, when everyone is discussing their experiment in the future.

The magnetic bias is the only "bias" Bob refers to.

The secondary is referenced as the High Voltage (160 volts) DC Potential.  Not the HV Bias.  I know this because Bob corrected my calling it a HV bias, some time ago.

I also believe that one end of the DC potential is ungrounded and "floating".  This is what Earl mentioned some time ago when we were working on the diagram. Again, Bob, please correct me if this is not correct.

So the ground would be from the ground on the controller to load and positive from the one wire on the secondary.

Some quick thoughts,  ;D
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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