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Eldarion and Bruce's build of Bob's Energy Converter

Started by eldarion, July 27, 2007, 12:58:39 AM

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eldarion

#215
December 19, 2007, 05:42:18 PM
OK, thanks for clearing that up! ;D

I will remove the suppression network and see what happens!

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

Earl

#216
December 20, 2007, 06:06:02 AM
@All

I remind everyone that in my experience, a series damping network consisting of a 1 nF ceramic in series with a ferrite bead soldered directly between drain and source knocks out the overshoot on the back EMF pulse, without effecting the main BEMF pulse itself very much.  Such a lossy-L / C network is fundamentally different from a R/C network, often used.  I achieved fantastic results by choosing the correct bead from a R&D variety designer's kit..

Every scope has a rise time and every scope probe also.  Both have to be fast in order to see narrow spikes that may contain enough energy to destroy a transistor.

Earl
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eldarion

#217
December 20, 2007, 03:06:48 PM
Hi Earl,

Thanks for the tip!  Right now, I am just going to let the coils ring as they wish, like Bob said to.

All,

I have removed the suppression network and tried a couple of tests with no load on the output.  With 13.8V in, I can get an 80V p-p sine wave on the output with one end of the secondary tied to ground.  Applying 12VDC "HV" potential to one end of the secondary (the one that was tied to ground earlier) merely shifted the waveform up by the 12VDC, and unfortunately did not increase the p-p magnitude of the signal at all.

So something is still wrong; any ideas? ;D  (My first thought is that the "HV" potential is too low, and I will see if anything changes with 160VDC HV potential).
The waveforms on the primaries are rather interesting, I will post a scope shot later on.

Eldarion

EDIT: I tried it with 160VDC as the HV potential, and unfortunately there was no change.
I am runing all of these tests without the magnetic bias.  It would be really nice to know if the magnetic bias is required to see any effects or not! ;)  (From what I understand, rotating electric fields in a vertical magnetic field cause odd and interesting things?)
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
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Bruce_TPU

#218
December 20, 2007, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: eldarion on December 20, 2007, 03:06:48 PM

EDIT: I tried it with 160VDC as the HV potential, and unfortunately there was no change.
I am runing all of these tests without the magnetic bias.  It would be really nice to know if the magnetic bias is required to see any effects or not! ;)  (From what I understand, rotating electric fields in a vertical magnetic field cause odd and interesting things?)

Hi Eldarion,

I have enjoyed watching your progress on the waveform.

As for what you say above, I say, "fire it up and let 'er rip!"  LOL  Then you will know if there are any effects or not.    ;)  Just make sure that the sky is clear above....
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Jdo300

#219
January 07, 2008, 02:47:34 PM
Hi Eldarion!

It has been great watching your progress with your build and I commend you for your tenacity to see this through. I have been moving back to my home town of Toledo for the last few days so I don't yet have any of my lab things unpacked. But I did a few interesting experiments over the break that I will pass along to you later.

As for your question about the magnetic bias, from what I understand, the rotating field is completely useless without it. We need the orthogonal vector to turn the 2D planar field into a 3D vortex field. Thats what the MAGVID people were saying.

God bless,
Jason O
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