Hello all!

[atfab]

Atfab here,
     Found this website last week, overloaded my poor mind.

     My first goal is a fuel mileage increase for a '89 Toyota Camry station wagon, 2.5 liter V-6. This is a fuel injected engine with an auto trans, all in good shape.

     My last long distance, round trip was 400 miles, used the AC on the way out and got 28 MPG (mostly above the legal limits). A bad fill up rendered the return mileage useless.

      I want to start with a plate generator, running off of 12V and under 10 amps. I have some SS plates approx 1.5" by 8" unknown grade, but looks and cuts like 300 series.

     I have the ability and tools to make just about any configuration and experience with dangerous gas and chemical handling. Two years of electronics school and 35 years experience as an electro/mechanical tech, mostly in semiconductor and electronics assembly equipment.

     Any advice or experience in the persuit of my goal would be greatly helpfull. I have a 300 mile trip next month and would like to have something worked up before I leave.

Thanks,
Paul

[keithturtle]

Welcome, atfab;

Looks like y'all gota whatever it takes to do this.   My advice is two-fold...

1.  Be prepared for the long haul.
2. Learn from the mistakes of others- you'll never live long enough to make 'em all yerself.

I've had good luck with the urethane -sided cell.   Windshield grade urethane adhesive can provide structural support, spacing and sealing of yer plates.   Somewhere in the HHO thread I posted a pic-clip of the procedure.   There's a sequel coming sometime that shows production stats.

G'luk, mon!

Turtle

[atfab]

Thanks Turtle,
     I dug out the SS strips I have, they are 2" by 8" by 1/16". Cut them in half on a 45 degree angle to give me contact tabs and drilled two 1/4" holes in the center if the plates, vertically.

    With 4 plates I assembled 2 cells with the plates 1/8" apart. I then combined the cells together with a 3/8" space. I used rubber washers and cable ties to hold/space the assembly together for ease of modification. Placed the assembly in a 22 OZ glass pasta jar.

     I connected a 12VDC, 5 Amp regulated lab qualty power supply to various combinations of the plates (including netural plates), submerged in 3.5" of my town water, with NO additives. I got the best flow of bubbles with the plates connected by alternating them + - + -. The town water is hard. I got almost instant brown scum and water at 12 v, drawing 0.96 amps and less bubbles.

     We use a Britta filter for drinking water, so I tried some of that.  The water was cold from the fridge, I applied 12 V and it drew 0.55 amps. again no additives.

     Moved outside to the patio, as the water warmed, the current slowly rose to 1.0 amps at 105 degrees F, temp . I could light off a good loud SNAP every few mins. with the jar open and a very light breeze.

     After an hour the water was only slightly discolored and a thin red/brown scum covered  the surface except for 2 quarter sized spots that the majority of bubbles came up in.

     All measurments taken with a Fluke 77 digital multimeter and a candy thermometer. The plates cut/drilled like 303 or 304 stainles.

     More plates to come.

Paul

[keithturtle]

Yer off to a good start, Paul.

Now, as IronHead would say, let it teach you.

Turtle

[atfab]

Turtle,
     I have been in the I H well all night. Had to stop at page 38. I think I have enough SS on hand to make a B-F cell, but can't come up with 36 vdc right now (I'm not driving an 18 year old car by choice)

     Time to hit the tag sales.

Paul
2005 Dumpster Diving Regional Champion