Stanley Meyer, please meet Stanislav Avramenko: Water as a fuel...

[zerotensor]

Considering that the water itself forms part of the (HV, current free) transmission line, here's how one might bias the cap:

[Farrah Day]

Blimey DM, you've been digging around to find this thread!

Not sure Tao is still around, but it would be nice to hear his comments again.

Ok, the Av Plug uses no power as no current is drawn.  Power = V x I, and we have no I... so no power, only potential energy.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I have got one of my problems again.

As the voltage on the capacitor plates is a direct result of charge build up on those plates, how can we have a voltage there unless charges (current) has flowed there in the first place?  If there are no +ve and -ve charges on the capacitor plates, then there is no potential difference across those plates - no voltage!

I've yet to read through the Avramenko Plug link, but I'm immediately suspicious of this concept in terms of the wfc.

[AhuraMazda]

@farrah day,
For a moment forget electronics. Lets call this water in between the stainless steel tubes a water sandwich!
Conjecture: We don't care about capacitors/capacitance. All we want to do is to subject the water filling to ( pure) voltage.
We should not care whether current flows or not . Lets look at this this way, you can open a door using a crowbar ( electrolysis ) or use the door handle ( dielectric manipulation ).

If any one has experience of  the so called Avramenko plugs, can they be cascaded to obtain huge voltage potentials? I have tried and had no success.

[dutchy1966]

Hi,

This starts to look like the Stiffler circuits here.....a WFC instead of a string of leds......Might be able to get some good ideas over from that thread.....

regards

Robert

[Farrah Day]

Sorry AM, can't simply just dismiss a few of the technicalities here.

Look, I'm all for new ideas and theories, but something is wrong with this.

Pure voltage?

Yes, you can have voltage without current, ie a battery, but you can't have a voltage across a capacitor without charges on the plates - it's the charges on the plates that create the voltage!

Voltage is a difference in potential created by charges. To have a potential across the plates of a capacitor means that the charges on each have to be different, mis-matched.

Subjecting the water 'sandwich' to high voltage without current flowing is the whole problem, because that voltage is created by a high charge build up on the plates - granted if those charges were not there then no current could flow, but then there would be no voltage there either!

I think there is much misunderstanding here.