The truth about "overunity".

[pese]

@ D.M.
Hello Dingus.

that was a great ask. how can an machinery or something  give more OUT that it used.

only if something work additionalley IN this devices
and ADD the power.
as
ambient temperature
solare rays
some "moving parts -inside the machine- . I think on BESSLER now.
enz

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you are (little bit wrong with.) because not comple..

D.M.  (copied)
Lets say I use 10watts in a heater, and get out 9watts of heat...
Thats a CoP of 0.9

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If it heat (water) -only-9Watts .. ,
1 watt ware lost to air (amnient) in any way  it give NO losts !!

all losts (example , gasoline motor) will be tourned
into "heat" , are NO losts , AND can also used
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If some "overuniy maschines , com out over 100% ,
than its is not true , because in ANY ay , this additional power  comes from "Anywhere2 , and
its only to open the mind and the eye--
example
frigidaire  : from abient
solar heat  from abient
solar electricity : from ambient (rays)
Perpetuum Mobiles. From additionalyy insid working "moving" parts
Telsa Car , Coler, Hendershot Hubbard and more
from added "univers power".

And so on..

any Overunity commes from ADDITIONALLY Powers
that can USED

On  other ways : It give NO LOSTs
Any "Losts" will turned to Heat (or other power)

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So i hope to learn more here.
All days i can find "some more"  .. here  and other places.

G.Pese

[Dingus Mungus]

CoP only accounts for useful recovered energy. Any energy lost to the enviornment is not lost (as in destroyed), but it leaves the system and can not be included in CoP. Any useful energy lost to the enviornment applies in net efficiency.

Example:
Solar cells are roughly 20% efficient, so 80% of the suns photons that contact the Si surface are reflected out to the ambient energy pool and refered to as lost energy. Thats net efficiency, but the CoP of a solar cell is infinite.

Overunity is a refrence to CoP as energy can not be created from nothing. It must be tapped from the ambient. There are so many different moving streams of energy to tap, that there is no need for creating energy or violating physics. Thats the bit of confusion that seperates us from regular science. They assume perpetual motion means no input, but really it means no user input.

~Dingus

[pese]

CoP only accounts for useful recovered energy. Any energy lost to the enviornment is not lost (as in destroyed), but it leaves the system and can not be included in CoP. Any useful energy lost to the enviornment applies in net efficiency.

Example:
Solar cells are roughly 20% efficient, so 80% of the suns photons that contact the Si surface are reflected out to the ambient energy pool and refered to as lost energy. Thats net efficiency, but the CoP of a solar cell is infinite.

Overunity is a refrence to CoP as energy can not be created from nothing. It must be tapped from the ambient. There are so many different moving streams of energy to tap, that there is no need for creating energy or violating physics. Thats the bit of confusion that seperates us from regular science. They assume perpetual motion means no input, but really it means no user input.

~Dingus

Jes so is it , but the econony is better . mor tan 20 % will also turned at heat (an will not reflected) .
The dark color thake the infrared (heat) rays.

BUT  no  ONE think to "take this additional 20% Energy to store directly in watertank.
So the efficent of Solar Cell arrangements ca be done more economical in use
GP

[armagdn03]

WHAT A STUPID DISCUSSION!

Is any of this really relevant? You are all talking about the same thing from different vantage points.
YOU ARE ALL CORRECT!

If you have an electric motor and a solar cell, you could take the stance that it is OU if you dont take into accout the sun (say if you didnt know what the sun or light was). ie a system outside of equilibrium...because we deliberately left out one half....the sun

OR you could say it is not OU and take into accout the sun, ie a closed system

We consider some machines OU because we do not understand ZPE or whatever name you want to give the phenomenon, which is essentially the "battery" Of course if you leave the power source out it will look like OU!

What others are saying is that once you include ZPE or the battery in the picture its not OU.

SIMPLE
Dont over complicate and waste time.

[Navi-gator]

WHAT A STUPID DISCUSSION!

Is any of this really relevant? You are all talking about the same thing from different vantage points.
YOU ARE ALL CORRECT!

If you have an electric motor and a solar cell, you could take the stance that it is OU if you dont take into accout the sun (say if you didnt know what the sun or light was). ie a system outside of equilibrium...because we deliberately left out one half....the sun

OR you could say it is not OU and take into accout the sun, ie a closed system

We consider some machines OU because we do not understand ZPE or whatever name you want to give the phenomenon, which is essentially the "battery" Of course if you leave the power source out it will look like OU!

What others are saying is that once you include ZPE or the battery in the picture its not OU.

SIMPLE
Dont over complicate and waste time.

Thanks, I'm glad you have it all figured out, although in a few years I believe your answer will only be an elementary generalization.