PMM by wizkycho

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did you try it ?

It's not meaningful to do the certain things and this scheme is described in Museum unworkable devices. And besides I tried many schemes, so this one is substantially clear to me.

But THIS scheme works a little differently:
http://kalinin-engine.com/index.html

[wizkycho]

Looks like it might work and both ends in repell, question what is making the lever rock up/down. Is it free moving rocker or is it conected to sider middle magnetic. One could use plastic tubes and small 1/4" neos to test out. Any special metal shield at the ends. How long does it run?

magpower

Lever is not in any way connected to the piston.
I need some proposal how to transfer a bit of piston energy back to lever to make it self runner (without finger on lever). Please make a picture. even simpler one makes more sense than a book of words.

Shielding should be balanced (thickness and distance from side magnet) in that way that when shielding completely covers side magnet piston magnet does not feel push or pull force at his far end position (not that complex to balance).
Material is steel with fair enogh permeability factor and fairly high saturation (not hard to find).
Material for lever is nonmagnetic steel (not hard to find).

If we make fair enogh distance between side and piston like pole magnets in a way we don't break magnets *elasticity - it can run from 100 to 500 years (NdFeB used) .

* when you stretch rubber and if we go beyond it's elasticity factor it looses shape and even breaks
the same thing can apply to magnets - they loose magnetism if like poles forced too hard. But if we don't go beyond it's factor magnet restores it's field **allmost completely. **That is why it won't 1000 but only 500 years.

[wizkycho]

Interesting Idea. You need perfect timing...
Whats the "shielding" exactly and how is the lever with this shielding connected?

no need for perfect timing. here is why ?
The piston in animation is connected to max load (means it is mechanically (or with some coil) conected to do some work)(it was allso the easier way to make animation). That is why piston waits until complete shielding is removed and repel force is the greatest. If load is lighter than piston would start to move sonner but will allways follow in what state  lever(shielding) is, therefore output phase will follow input phase.

Shielding in this setup is permeable steel with fairly high positioned saturation knee.It is mechanically fixed to non magnetic material (lever).
Shielding on both magnets acts in atract mode. But when attracted to some distance magnets will eventually feel repel
force from each other and will stop getting any more closer.
Thicker the shielding or higher satturation material - closer the magnets get to each other.
Shielding here is actally ATTRACT - REPEL BALANCER.

[wizkycho]

If you study the Echlin which was a metal blocker between repeling magnets then you will understand this is much the same. Hint what will the attraction on two sides do at a closer distance than the repel force that it undoes?

Norman

Hi Norm. love your experiments !

Ecklin did not have like poles facing. but lets say he did: you must se the crucial difference between Ecklin type shielding
and this PMM.
On Ecklin - shielding is trying to be moved from the position of high magnetization (between magnets) to the point
with no magnets at all (this is done on both sides of Ecklin gen. - rotator has shieldings in 180deg.) - therefore very
huge ammount of energy needs to be spend to remove shieldings to area with no magnetizm.

well I don't understand quite this Hint... can You describe it further.

[wizkycho]

Sorry, won't work. Will stuck in the middle position.
Will work if shielding material really "shield" it. I've heard about this material (military applications), but never seen.

You didn't say WHY would it stuck (it is very important to say)?
Like i said this is not "disapearer of flux" (shield) this is mearly PUSH PULL BALANCER but resultant only looks like the part of the field strenght disapeared.

let's not waste to much time on the obvious:
NAKED FACT: Two magnets opposing each other with like poles will get closer if between them stands permeable material and will get further appart if that material is removed !
BTW: military doesn't have it, knowone has it - only god. there is no cancelation of mag. flux only it's rearangement and vector change.