Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[insane4evr]

Hey everybody, I have a interesting development. With out the cell connected i connect a transformer between the PWM and the bifilar coil, i can get over 300vdc out of it. As soon as i connect the cell it drops to around 2vdc. And the "water capacitor" cell does not seem to "step charge" it stays around 2vdc. Now with out the transformer i can get around 2vdc right from the PWM.

Why does it seem that the cell is killing my power and not step charging past the 2vdc point. I have done some calculations on my cell and its 398pF per tube (3 tubes, assuming 80 as the dielectric for the water) with it in tap water the Ohm is 3.34M ohm.

Any thoughts 

My experience is that the cell becomes a galvanic battery and develops its own voltage (less than 2 volts and decays in time). Using an ohmmeter to get the resistance will not give you the correct value because of this galvanic voltage. Also capacitance meter gives erroneous readings.

One way to get the parameters is going back to high school physics of doing it. Measure voltage across the cell and the current going thru, then calculate the resistance. For capacitance, connect a series resistor, get the charge/discharge waveforms with an oscilloscope and using the RC time constant formula, calculate the capacitance. I think JNL showed how he did it. And if you change the tap water or electrolyte or their chracteristics change, the parameters will also change.

I also think that cells using tap water or electrolyte will try to keep the voltage between the electrodes to this galvanic value. So unless the applied voltage has power behind it (high current) you will measure this galvanic voltage. If you brute force it continously at high current, you will produce excessive heat.

I conditioned some plates ( not tubes) for a month but was not able to get rid of the brown scum. I got the white coating on the negative plates and also brown coating on the positive plate. I don't know if the brown coating is also expected. I think for the tap water supply we have, I will never get rid of the brown scum (iron in the water?)

Distilled water only is probably the best and Kevin West (link in JNL) seems to show that he was able to generate hydroxy with 500 volts alternator and capacitors in parallel with the cell. I will see if I can replicate it using regular step up transformer instead of alternator.

[professor]

Hi here are a few Links that may enlighten you.
An Italian Scientific research claims 384 Mhz being the H2O Resonance or at least they showed a large Spike on a Spectroscope at that Frequency
Sorry I lost that link.It also mentions disassociation by a certain  wavelength in the UV Spectrum.
http://www.mast-victims.org/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=327
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/2888/freq6.html 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
Wikipedia Quote:Microwave heating is sometimes explained as a resonance of water molecules, but this is incorrect: such resonance only occurs in water vapor at much higher frequencies, at about 20 gigahertz[5]. Moreover, large industrial/commercial microwave ovens operating at the common large industrial-oven microwave heating frequency of 915 MHz (0.915 GHz), also heat water and food perfectly well. [6] The frequencies used in microwave ovens were chosen based on two constraints. The first is that they should be in one of the ISM bands set aside for non-communication purposes. Three additional ISM bands exist in the microwave frequencies, but are not used for microwave cooking. Two of them are centered on 5.8 GHz and 24.125 GHz, but are not used for microwave cooking because of the very high cost of power generation at these frequencies. The third, centered on 433.92 MHz, is a narrow band that would require expensive equipment to generate sufficient power without creating interference outside the band, and is only available in some countries. For household purposes, 2.45 GHz has the advantage over 915 MHz in that 915 MHz is only an ISM band in the ITU Region 2 while 2.45 GHz is available worldwide.
You want to know more just simply GOOGLE it !
Professor
Found this link http://www.aardvark.co.nz/stanley_meyer.shtml may upset some people. But it says "water molecules have a resonant frequency of around 22GHz, and only when in vapor form"
Can anybody confirm?
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[Jamie]

"@Jamie:
What size toroidal did ya use? Wannna make me one...lol  "
I used FT-290-J from amidon. It's the J material. https://www.amidoncorp.com/items/21. Yeah it's a pain doing 600 turns of 36 gauge. It took me about 2 hrs not including making the needle thing for winding. And it's 23 ohms of resistance  . The core is big. Almost 3" in diameter. I think they sent the wrong one. I also ordered 3/8" ferrite rod and they sent 1/2".  what can ya do? I'm gonna go hook up the scope I will have a shot in a couple hours.

[HeairBear]

Sorry bxngoc, I misunderstood your intention and thank you professor for the related info.

[xbox hacker]

@insane4evr:
Also capacitance meter gives erroneous readings.
I didnt use a meter to read the capacitance. I used to WFC calculator. Here is the link
http://www.waterforfuel.com/WFCv1.exe

This same formula is mentioned is a doc from http://waterfuelcell.org/...from Warj. Here is a link.
http://waterfuelcell.org/WarJ.html

I conditioned some plates
Did you notice any difference between the conditioned and non-conditioned plated during gas production?