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Overunity Machines Forum



Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

Started by hartiberlin, August 18, 2007, 04:39:57 PM

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Spewing

some of you may not like me for this, but i guess i'll see what the outcome of it is going to be.

RunningBare

Read it earlier  ;)

"grabs popcorn and waits for fireworks"

Quote from: Spewing on September 28, 2007, 03:09:20 PM
some of you may not like me for this, but i guess i'll see what the outcome of it is going to be.

RunningBare

Well, I've just about reached the limits of testing that I can do, so far no signs of extra HHO for my power input, I've gone over everything, used distilled as well as tap water, ramped up and down the frequencies but so far I'm getting no better than a 20 maybe 25% efficiency, so I'm still waiting, has anyone out there managed to match Ravi yet, any takers with several hundred percent efficiency!?!?

saintpoida

lol altmeter i meant ammeter

Quote from: saintpoida on September 28, 2007, 10:17:29 AM
ok guys its late here in oz i think i have the circuit complete

i tested with voltmeter and while i couldnt see pulsing (using digital multimeter)
the voltage would change when i changed frequencies

and then i didnt have any bulbs on hand so i just put a diode accross terminals
and while it didnt pulse so much i could change the colour of it by changing frequencies

so i assume its working? tomorrow i will get a proper bulb and see how it goes

but my altmeter isnt working? Could i have wired it up incorrectly? i followed the diagram
but im thinking the diagram and my altmeter have different positive / negative, i cant
see the needle move at all so im not sure?

anyone have suggestions on that?

thanks
pete

TheNOP

Quote from: HissyfitNihilism on September 27, 2007, 07:12:58 PM


Quote from: HissyfitNihilism on September 27, 2007, 02:28:45 AM
A superb example of idiotic non-science tripe.  Just the kind of pure idiot fantasy Ashtweth loves!

Bifilar winding of a coil does not increase its magnetic field energy storage.  It increases its parasitic capacitance, thus lowering its self-resonant frequency.  Whoever drew this picture and wrote these words has misinterpreted Tesla and made him look foolish. 


Yes...it is multiplied by two, the number of windings.  But it is the same energy storage as a single coil with an equal number of total windings.  The idea that bifilar winding gives some great multiple of the inductive energy storage over a single-filar coil of same total turns is simply wrong and can easily be disproven by simply doing the experiment.  All wiki means is that the coils will aid each other if in phase (i.e. 1+1=2x) and oppose each other if anti-phase (i.e. 1-1=0x).  The idea that hundreds of thousands of times energy storage is magically achieved by bifilar winding is just pure rubbish.

Quote from: HissyfitNihilism
Here is something for you to ponder:  You say that when you put two bifilar-wound coils in parallel you get "some interesting results".  The truth of the matter is that you get exactly the same results (inductance, energy storage, Q) as you would get using a single coil made with larger wire, except for skin effect.  Think about it...there is no voltage difference between the two wires at any point so they could just as well be bare wires touching each other inside a thin tube that insulates the pair from the next turn.  If they can touch, and they can, they can just as well be a single wire.  If the surface area is the same and the cross section is the same, there would be no difference even counting skin effect. 

Bifilar coils placed in parallel offer no advantage or difference compared to a single wire coil except possibly skin effect based Q improvement if the pair of wires offers more surface area than the equivalent larger single wire.  The extreme proof of this is Litz wire, where many many strands are wound "filar". The only reason Litz wire is used is to increase the Q and AC high frequency current handling by reducing the skin effect. 

An inductor wound with Litz wire has the same inductance and energy storage as an inductor wound with the same turns and size and core but with a single fat conductor. 

Regarding placing the bifilar coils in series, as Tesla's patent suggests, I very seriously doubt that you obtain any greater BEMF compared to a single-wound coil of rwice the turns, same geometry.  Teslas actual legal patent claims tell the tale.  He did it to lower the self-resonant frequency and eliminate discrete capacitors.  That is all there is to it.  The rest is popular ou mytholgy.  I suggest you measure again, this time properly, and see for yourself.  If anything, the increased interwinding effective capacitance will reduce the peak unloaded BEMF voltage because it will provide a larger transient current path as the mag field collapses.

There are so many delusions based on back emf and lead acid batteries...you know better RB...I've read you over on Steorn.  This whole bifilar myth is another bit of ou magic silliness fog factor.

@HissyfitNihilism

I strongly suggest that you buy a magnetometer and test bifilars on iron core by yourself.

Bifilars, depending on how connected, can increase or decrease the magnetic field generation.
This have nothing to do with energie storage.


B.T.W.  Litz wires do not behave like bifilars, not because of skin effect, but because, at some points, one wire is on top of the other wire.
That kinda intercept the magnetic field at those precise points, don't you agree ?