Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[HeairBear]

That is/was my conclusions also considering the cell leaks so badly. Dogs and others have shown the resonance in the circuit with the super high voltage but the gas output was still minimal. While doing some experimenting a while back with a Bedini SG, I noticed the Coil would resonate without a capacitor in the circuit. Is it possible that the chokes are designed to self-resonate while increasing the voltage at the same time, allowing us to use such a leaky capacitor? http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html

The second choke is placed after the cell for sort of a resistance without much loss to heat. Also, the greater the reactance of the circuit the higher the impedance, helping to keep the current down. http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/EddyCurrents/Physics/impedance.htm

Would this be called "distributed inductance and capacitance"? Is it possible the VIC works as one unit and not so much each component individually assuming it's common design characteristics?


Is it also possible that Stan was modulating his signals?

Cheers!

[abassign]

You excuse the break-in in the thread, but I believe that this article is important:

http://www.iscmns.org/catania07/McKubreMfromcoldfusi.pdf

He speaks of SuperWaves applied through the cold fusion to the production of energy.  The article is very interesting and I believe that there is common aspects with the experiments of Stanley Meyer.

Best regards
Adriano

[demartin]

Arrec, insulating the plates was proposed in this patent:

Ã,  Ã,  http://www.google.com/patents?id=DYo5AAAAEBAJ&dq=4427512&ie=ISO-8859-1

This invention relates to the decomposition of water into oxygen and hydrogen by the effect of ionization by collision among the water molecules. Water of liquid dielectric characteristics is contained within a solid dielectric container having higher dielectric constant relative to that of the water, the solid dielectric also having thermostability. A high voltage is then applied to the solid dielectric, creating a strong enough electric field, exceeding the covalent bond of the liquid dielectric, to decompose the water, while the solid dielectric container maintains its stability.

Only problem is that the insulator must have far better dielectric value than water (which already has k = 80). A ceramic insulator with k = 3000 was cited in the patent, and then a high voltage source up to 60kV was applied, which would require rounded smooth electrodes. As far as the Lawton tube coatings go, I suspect it forms a diode layer that helps maintain voltage across the electrodes on pulse off instead of a total insulation.

As for resonance, most agree that the water cell itself doesn't resonate, but rather its capacitance in conjunction with inductance of the chokes is what creates the resonance. And not typical AC resonance either because of the blocking diode, but a DC charging resonance which happens to have the same formula for resonant frequency.

You could be right though about my circuit using parallel LC resonance... I'm having difficulty drawing the correct equivalent circuit for an open second wire on the bifilar with its magnetic and capacitive coupling to the first wire of the bifilar. Thanks for your insight.

I've gotten max 500 ohms with deionized water. But what Meyer's technical briefing claims is that even with barefaced electrodes and conductive water, through inductive reactance on the second choke you can inhibit the current through the water cell while still maintaining a high voltage field across the water. I just can't understand or visualize this as being possible. So current and voltage may be 90 degrees out of phase on the water, would that somehow allow cancellation of the current but not the voltage? Who  knows...

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Guys also i got told that Dave Lawton is also experimenting with DERLIN (Meyers mentions this) as an insulator, he already applies it to one of his tubes either the - or the + and it showed a reduction in current Draw. Insulate both of them and you could probably use Salt water.

Ash

[Garfield]

I'm new here, but after reading most of the posts in this forum I'm glad see that most agree
that the WFC is the capacitor in a series resonant circuit.
   Also most agree that a capacitor in water just doesn't work. So here are my findings.
  As Ravi stated many times, the cell has to be primed in order to get much hho. He also said this
process takes much time. In one of the videos showing the white coating on the inner tube, he uses
an ohmmeter on this coating to show that it's a perfect insulator. So once the electrodes are insulated
from the water then the cell starts acting like a capacitor should.
   There is also a current path between the bath water and the inner electrode which has to be dealt with.
Meyers uses a plastic coating (delrin) on the outside of the cell to solve this problem.
  I think this coating is much thicker than the white oxide layer and the reason for not using it on the plates of the capacitor.
    In Meyer's patent on page 11-13 you will see a circuit that he calls a "crossover switching circuit"
What this does is it perodically switches the roles of the cathode and anode at a rate determined
by the gated pulse frequency. The advantage of course is to prime both electrodes at once and
thereby greatly increase the parallel resistance and efficiency of the capacitor. This would also
eliminate the troublesome "galvanic cell" that someone mentioned.
   Just my thinking and welcome to any criticism