Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[Adi]

Hello everyone,

I am new to the forum. by way of introduction I have been researching the Meyers wfc for about 6 months now. I have a background in mechanical engineering. I also worked as engineering manager for 2 printed wire board manufacturer and assemblers. I spent 2 years designing nuclear decontamination equipment and 1 year engineering uranium processing facilities. I am also a computer programmer and I have learned around 17 different languages. Last year I developed a couple of robotic work stations.

I do a lot of tinkering in my basement and have assembled some 2 cycle engines to run on compressed air from paintball tanks. All that to say, I am not an expert in any field. I started as a factory worker, learned welding, fabrication and use of shop tools and equipment (shear, brake press punch, mill lathe etc..). 

My electronics is rudimentary but I understand most of what you are discussing. I think that this is fantastic. I am building my first HHO generator. I have bought the PWM controller from Hydrogen garage and I have some stainless tubes left over from drops at the last job.

At first I though that it was simply a matter of using a high frequency power supply but now I see that it is much more complicated.

I was in the process of designing after market kits to run cars on compressed air but overcoming the poor efficiency of an ICE requires dramatic changes, nothing simple.

As I studied your progress I began to wonder, now please forgive my poor understanding, I hope this doesn't sound too foolish, it sounds an awful lot like Stanley was designing a high voltage generator for a microwave oven,especially when he starts talking about the wave guide and resonant chamber.  the discussion is also reminds me of the operation of industrial cutting lasers especially CO2 lasers which use high frequency, high voltage to generate RF that excites CO2 molecules into emitting light.

It certainly strikes me that his experiments took place well before Microwave ovens hit the market, or Industrial lasers for that matter. Maybe some of his research was part of the development or refinement of those technologies.

Maybe broadening the scope of consideration to other seemingly magical technologies developed in the last 20 years will add insight to the process. I can see a focused microwave exciting the water molecules combined with an ultrasonic blast and a strong magnetic field the possibilities are interesting.

Have any of you noticed the microwave connection and explored the ramifications? What if you started with a magnetron and wave guide from a microwave oven and did a few experiments from that angle?

Hmmmm??

Oh well, for what it's worth I was just wondering. Maybe someone who understands more about the process can straighten me out quickly before I spend too much time chasing down that rabbit trail.

Thanks, and keep up the good work!

Adi

[Gheller J]

onormanns:

Here u go                              Gh. J.

These two could help:

Fig 2: Tubular Cluster Array and Concentric Ring Array at the bottom


Fig 7: Tubular Cluster Array unit

[alan]

Hello Adi,
have you read the Meyer technical brief?
Meyer didn't use RF frequencies and high-voltage (KV) transformers, his circuit is similar to this:
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html
You seem very qualified with your background.

[Adi]

Hi,

Actually I am just beginning to scratch the surface and I am very interested. I am convinced that this is legitimate and I am very disappointed at the narrow minded nay-sayers who use the same old arguments. For instance I have read where someone claimed that you couldn't get more energy out than you put in since it goes against the laws of thermodynamics but I guess that didn't stop Einstein. His device certainly liberated more energy than was invested heh heh. Who would have thought years ago that you could shatter a crystal goblet simply by reproducing the correct frequency. I am always amazed at the ones who quote big general principles that may have nothing to do with a specific issue. Some skeptics are always complaining that perpetual motion devices are not possible, but if it runs for 100 years and I can extract work from it what do I care if it is not true perpetual motion?

I can understand that Stanley does not address Microwaves or RF, however,  I get the feeling that he wasn't really aware of all of the effects being created with his circuits. You?re not going to get RF from DC unless you do something to make it pulse and modulate like AC. In fact that is what happens in some high power industrial laser designs.

I have a good friend who is an electrical engineer and he is helping me to understand some of the issues. I am slowly learning. As I read more and begin to understand the concept better I'm sure many of my silly questions will go away. On the other hand, it has been my experience that some of my most elegant design solutions have evolved from someone outside the project asking a "stupid question" that would lead me to think outside the box as they say.

One way or another, this is certainly going to be fun.

Adi


   

[Jokker]

Whats all about big words ...
I acctually been into it for some time, just as interesting thing. Yesterday i bought some components to build up circuit.. and I'm pretty sure that i will do it. Putting circuit together is simple as it is plain  .
So far as i learned is ... that u need to understand things... how they work and how to act in certain situations.
Atm im learning automatics at school and i can say that it is is going quite well. On the other hand it is way complicated... PN junction, magnetic flux ... and so on. It takes time to understand stuff and far as u go ur starting to understand that it is bigger ... it is more complicated ... there is things u dont know.
Ppl use to believe what they want to believe and usually follow things what they believe is true.

Idea im trying to follow is that one thing is building up devise .. what is is most important one and other is to get it work what is obviously tricky...

What about perpetual motion ? heh  . I thought that PWM circuit is just for increasing efficiency of electrolysis.