Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[Jamie]

I got my MOSFET hooked up. I put a Watercell like:

http://www.overunity.com/hho.htm

that I built, unit on it for a load and so I could see the gating working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUzJ6BhJSkQ

I now realize that the pulsing coming from the MOSFET is a inversion of the pulseing coming from the 555's. This makes sense considering that a N-channel MOSFET needs a + voltage to make it's channel.

@ HeairBear, were'd you find that picture?

[Prophmaji]

Resonance is key, yes. The propogation speed of sound in water is also a clue.




Note the curve itself, and it's lack of linearity.

Read the bits recently on physorg.com about the SECOND RESONANCE of water being recently discovered and room temperature freezing of water via micro-crystallization across very short distances.

The resonance of the inner tube and the spacing and then the resonance of the outer tube. Plus, any complex LCR characteristics of the tubes when electrically excited by frequential AC considerations. dumping inductively stored loads works best, with regards to output vs consumption. Fast switching is key.

At about 1520m/s as the propagation speed of sound in water, combined with the frequency known to be most effective in ultrasonic sealers, then you get the gap size between the tubes, in DI (or whatever) water.

So, 1520mx39.34(inches)= 59800, then 59800in/41500hz=1.44inches, then divided by 2, for a gap of 0.72, or an even fractional thereof.

The speed of propogation in the given stainless vs it's acoustic resonances.... which of the two tubes - MUST be complimentary. Connect the bell aspect of the tubes in complimentary resonance along with the spacing..and you'll be getting somewhere.

When it comes to understanding the effect at the surface of the tubes themselves, where the disassociation occurs, then the issues of microwave propagation come into play with regards to what frequencies best transmit energy INTO or through water. All the cell phone and cordless phone and microwave oven frequencies were specifically chosen due to their effects on water. This becomes the electrical propagation considerations of tube wall thickness and sizing as a secondary (or third concern)

After all, it's a resonant amplification process to create the intensity of swing to get the break down of the water most efficiently.

So pile on those resonances.

[Prophmaji]

No, Stan had changed it later in another patent. The patent stated why he changed it, but, I forget which patent and exactly why he changed it. Stan also was paranoid from previous stolen patents and started to obfuscate his wording and drawings. Anyone know what this is a picture of?

Likely an capacitively loaded ring, for an inductive pulse dump of said ring. Inductance = mass...and shutting the outer rings on and off faster than the inductive dump, is no big deal. The 79 to maybe 82 or more rings are capacitive, I'd guess. Zero current loss, or energy loss. But the bigger ring takes on an inductive mass consideration when modulated by the smaller rings. Look at the angular components for the interactive vs the interference considerations.

Could be levitational in nature, which would arise out of overunity characteristics, or vise-versa, whatever works for you.

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Anon message sent to Panacea

Message: I have duplicated Stan Meyer's work, and have taken it several steps
forward. First, during assembly of the generator, I have found that you must
"tune" the tubes to the same pitch. I do it with a simple guitar tuner.
Just clip it to the tube and strike it with a small brass (to prevent polarization)
hammer. The easiest way to change the pitch, it's always the outside tube, grind a
notch in it like Stan did. Second, oscilate it with high voltage, low amperage
voltage. Water resonates at 926khz, and will disassociate at that range. Before
conditioning the generator, briefly dry modiluate it in 5 second bursts, with about
2 min between bursts for about 10 min. You should be able to hear it hum, and with a
practice ear, tell if one set is out of picth. I also added a toroid coil, to
produce parahydrogen. Tube size is determined by the diameter of the cell, be it 4,
5, or 6", but the optimum gap between tubes should remain .045 to .060. Try to
maintain the
low side. You are correct, in that it takes at LEAST 2 to 3 months to condition
your tubes. I don't add the toroid until final assembly, and try to maintain a
1/8' gap from the top of the tubes to the toroid. I am currently running 70psi in
the generator.

[LtBolo]

I have duplicated Stan Meyer's work, and have taken it several steps forward.

Pretty bold. Any proof? Ratio of power input to gas output, perhaps?

Water resonates at 926khz, and will disassociate at that range.

Really? Again, any proof? I don't see that in the textbooks?


Hi all. Long time lurker. Electrical engi-nerd by education and vocation. Actively experimenting. Gunk-R-Us.

Let me first start by saying...I very much want for Stan's work to be verified and commericalized....but....I am growing very impatient with the lack of scientific skepticism that is accepted and encouraged in the OU community. Be skeptical. It's good for the science. Every statement like the above that is flippantly tossed into the public becomes accepted as fact. At the least, it is a distraction. At the worst, it destroys results.

Naudin replicated!! No, he didn't. Murakami replicated!! No, I don't think so. Ravi replicated!! Well maybe...he is closest to solid science that I have seen. To be totally sure, you really need to see an inline current measurement off of the main, and really need to see a scope trace. He has neither, and his power supply is well capable of producing enough power to brute force his demonstrated result. The clamp on current looks good...although not very accurate...but with exceptional results must come exceptional proof. Be skeptical.

I design stuff for a living. We have as good equipment as any company out there...all the toys. Even so, I believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see....and that is when it is my own work, much less when it is someone elses. When it seems to defy physics...it usually does. Be skeptical.

It seems to me that excess gas from a tubular array will come from one or both of two mechanisms: 1) Some variation of Randell Mills hydrino theory or some other cold fusion-esque process, and/or 2) accoustically induced cavitation triggering hydrino production or micro-hot fusion. I wouldn't be holding out much hope for vacuum energy or water cracking with voltage.

Plate conditioning may be nothing more than slow motion electroplating where nickel liberated from the anode is slowly deposited on the cathode. Eventually enough nickel is deposited on the cathode (but no iron) to allow a process like Dr. Mills hydrinos to be produced. Incidentally, the gunking is the natural process of the chromium passivation layer breaking down with current and possibly chlorine or flourine in the water and allowing tiny areas of rust. The anode puts out iron, chromium, and nickel oxides before the passivation layer can re-form and stop the process. I suspect that with enough time, current, and chlorine you can condition your anode completely away. Conditioned, indeed.

I do not buy into the belief that the calcium scale that builds up on the cathode does anything useful. While highly resistive out of circuit, it is crystaline and porous and seems to make no measureable change to the cell's in-circuit impedance. Red herring, I think.

Another annoying thing...series LC circuits are not resonant in the way people endlessly describe. They are band pass filters that hit minimum impedance, and therefore maximum current, at the so-called resonance point where XL == XC. It isn't resonant. Period. Now parallel LC tank filters will resonate nicely...but serve no practical purpose in a pulsed DC application. It is an interesting point that the bifilar chokes have some nice self-resonance due to their distributed capacitance...they are mini-tanks, but I can't see how they do anything useful by doing so. There might be some cool stuff that happens when they are placed in opposition and at the self-resonance freq...but that isn't what is being described ad nauseum.

Ravi's system could easily have contained everything necessary for a cold fusion or hydrino style process. Months of conditioning turns the 316 SS cathode into a nickel plated cathode. Small amounts of potassium in the water serve as a catalyst. Light water from the tap. Pulsed DC with enough current to pass the reaction threshold...which according to Dr. Mills is 1-100ma per cm^2 of plate area. Due to the tight plate spacing and the comparatively higher voltage per unit distance than most fusion configurations, his produces excess gas instead of excess heat. Not hard to see the possibility.

To the extent that the burst frequency coincides with the tube's chime frequency, the tubes can begin resonating very nicely. In Stan's 1/2" by ~15" interior tube, the resonant freq would about around 477Hz in air and about 382Hz in water. The outer tube would be 746Hz in air and about 597Hz in water. Yeah...the bigger tube is higher freq. Counter-intuitive, but correct. The chime freq is related to the inverse of the ratio of the length to diameter. Bigger diameter, same length, higher freq. Not sure what the effect of the slot is on freq...up or down. Gut says up...but as I said, counter-intuitive...so maybe down. If it were down, that would allow it to be tuned to the same octave as the inner pipe. More likely it is up, but that would make it possible to tune the inner and outer pipe to the same note, but one octave apart...still very accoustically interesting. In fact, maybe more so.

So with a nice bit of accoustic resonance one can very easily get cavitation, which has already be proven to cause micro-hot fusion or some other unknown highly energetic reaction if the bubble size gets large enough. It is not difficult to conclude that cavitation in the presence of electrolysis could enhace the result.

It seems to be that between the known cavitation effects, and Dr. Mills work with hydrinos, the excess gas reported by Stan, Ravi, and possibly others, will be found to be driven by one or both of these processes. Again, Stan's lovely prose filled with pseudo-scientific jargon seems very unlikely to me...although I'm sure it impressed folks. There is a big difference in seeing and understanding. Be skeptical.

All right...I'll stop now. Flame away...but be skeptical.