Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[stephenafreter]

It seems to be that between the known cavitation effects, and Dr. Mills work with hydrinos, the excess gas reported by Stan, Ravi, and possibly others, will be found to be driven by one or both of these processes. Again, Stan's lovely prose filled with pseudo-scientific jargon seems very unlikely to me...although I'm sure it impressed folks. There is a big difference in seeing and understanding. Be skeptical.

Hi,
I'd like to give some links relative to possibly others :

- Dave Lawton's version : http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_meyer_lawton.html
- H2Hearth' version: http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_meyer_h2earth.html
- Aaron's version : http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_meyer_aaron_qiman13.html
- Hydrocars' version : http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_meyer_hydrocars.html
- Panacea's version (working with Ravi) : http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/meyerswatercell.htm

- Bob Boyce's version : http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_boyce.html
- Peter Lowrie's version : http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_lowrie.html

And many others that are not on these websites ...

you can check also : http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/
and : http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1

For those interrested in BLACK LIGHT POWER by Dr Randell Mills :

- The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantum Mechanics http://www.blacklightpower.com/theory/book.shtml
- introduction : http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_blacklight.html

Very interresting commentaires indeed. One day we may clearly understand how all this systems are working....

MDG

[Sparky345]

Everyone is going after HHO for 20-30% more effeciency..  I was talking to someone that compresses air thru a membrane that only allows Oxygen thru, and has simular results as these HHO companies are having, power conversion and emission reduction, 10x less grief possibly...

Mixing Aluminum and Gallium (Heat sink paste for Computers)  causes the aluminum not to skin, and gives off Hydrogen..  no oxygen though..  no other gases at all...  make H2, alumia (Alumia Oxide completely prepared for re-electrolysis) and gallium is re-usable with no conversion.  http://www.instructables.com/id/ECB3EDDF2FRVK4R/

I am more interested in this technology than most, as I have a gas hog, I get 2 Gallons to the mile.. to convert over to a Fuel Cell or magnetic flux or whatever bleeding edge technology would cost me $100k+  if not more.. dealing with weight differences, engineering etc...    where a Hydrogen Boost or HHO conversion solution costing me less than $5 or 10k    pay for it self in less than a year....

All nonsense.

'"everyone (is) going after hho for 20-30% more efficiency"

efficiency of what?  Those "hydrogen generators people are sticking on cars are nothing but a scam.
These stupid things may make some bubbles that make it look like it's doing something, but please think a little.<p>

If your car has a v8 engine, (lets use a 302 cu in. for example) do you realize how much HHO you would have to generate per minute  to get a 20% increase  in fuel efficiency? It would have to generate 720 cubic feet of HHO gas just to supply enough to feed that engine at idle for one whole minute.

Never mind trying to feed all that gas through a tiny little hose that these "kits" provide.
You have to add a pint of water to the 'reaction vessel" every time you fill the gas tank. Do you really tthink you would get  millions of cubic feet of HHO gas from a pint or quart of water?

HHO especially in the tiny, minute quantities these little bubble jars produce will not, can not, by any means, magic or otherwise, improve fuel mileage. Adding what amounts to literally a few molecules of HHO gas to the stream of intake air, which an engine working at 2500 RPM going 55 mph requires around 63,541 cubic FEET of air per minute. For a 20% increase of fuel mileage, that little jar would have to produce a whopping 12,708 cubic feet of HHO per min.  Ain't going to happen.

"I was talking to someone that compresses air thru a membrane that only allows Oxygen thru, and has simular results as these HHO companies are having, power conversion and emission reduction"

And that is just a funny as those HHO companies claims.  What you are really talking about here is a medical device called an oxygen concentrator.  Generally, a bedside oxygen concentrator which cost around  $1800, and are a little more complicated than just a "membrane" can barely concentrate air to 91% pure oxegen at rates beyond 5 liters per min.  Plus the compressor takes POWER to run.  You'd need a very large compressor and concentrator bed array to produce 63,541 cubic feet of oxygen per minute. <p>

If you really want to make some  cheap hydrogen, why don't you just buy a case of beer (can's of course) and as you drink them, toss them into a sealed container with some sodium hydroxide (lye and water)  run a tube to your intake, poke a hole in your intake, tape the hose securely, and drive.

Then you will find out (cheaply at least) that this simply doesn't work, but you will at least get a cheap drunk out of the deal.  Don't forget to tape up that hole in your air intake. That air leak will make your engine run lean because air is by-passing the air flow sensor. (and there you have the answer to how these HHO generators work, the don't, they just make you poke a hole in your air cleaner causing a lean condition, which could cause engine damage over time)

The best part is the black sludge left over from the beer cans at the bottom of your reactor vessel  can be made back into a beer cans again, with enough electricity of course.

You can also skip the hydrogen process, and just make electricity from your beer cans, which is probably the safer thing to do.

[stephenafreter]

" Those "hydrogen generators people are sticking on cars are nothing but a scam.
These stupid things may make some bubbles that make it look like it's doing something, but please think a little."

Hi,
here is a quote from : http://waterfuel.100free.com/hydroxy.html

## Here is a synopsis of a sampling of the research that has been done: http://www.chechfi.ca/tehisyst.htm

- In 1974 John Houseman and D.J/Cerini of the Jet Propulsion Lab, California Institute of Technology produced a report for the Society of Automotive Engineers entitled "On-Board Hydrogen Generator for a Partial Hydrogen Injection Internal Combustion Engine".

- In 1974 F.W. Hoehn and M.W. Dowy of the Jet Propulsion Lab, prepared a report for the 9th Inter society Energy Conversion Engineering Conference, entitled "Feasibility Demonstration of a Road Vehicle Fueled with Hydrogen Enriched Gasoline."

- In the eighties George Vosper P. Eng., ex-professor of Dynamics and Canadian inventor, patented a device to transform internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen. He affirms: "A small amount of hydrogen added to the air intake of a gasoline engine would enhance the flame velocity and thus permit the engine to operate with leaner air to gasoline mixture than otherwise possible. The result, far less pollution with more power and better mileage."

- In 1995, Wagner, Jamal and Wyszynski, at the Birmingham University of Engineering, Mechanical and Manufacturing, demonstrated the advantages of "Fractional addition of hydrogen to internal combustion engines by exhaust gas fuel reforming." The process yielded benefits in improved combustion stability and reduced nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbon emissions.

- Roy Mac Alister, PE of the American Hydrogen Association states the "Use of mixtures of hydrogen in small quantities and conventional fuels offers significant reductions in exhaust emissions" ? Relatively small amounts of hydrogen can dramatically increase horsepower and reduce exhaust emissions."

- At the HYPOTHESIS Conference, University of Cassino, Italy, 1995, scientists from the University of Birmingham, UK, presented a study about hydrogen as a fraction of the fuel? "Hydrogen, when used as a fractional additive at extreme lean engine operation, yields benefits in improved combustion stability and reduced nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbon emissions."

- In 1997, ? scientists representing the Department of Energy Engineering, Zhejiang University, China, presented a mathematical model for the process of formation and restraint of toxic emissions in hydrogen-gasoline mixture fueled engines. Using the theory of chemical dynamics of combustion, the group elaborated an explanation of the mechanism of forming toxic emissions in spark ignition engines. The results of their experimental investigation conclude that because of the characteristics of hydrogen, the mixture can rapidly burn in hydrogen-gasoline mixture fueled engines, thus toxic emissions are restrained?

- California Environmental Engineering (CEE) has tested this technology and found reduction on all exhaust emissions. They subsequently stated: "CEE feels that the result of this test verifies that this technology is a viable source for reducing emissions and fuel consumption on large diesel engines."

- The American Hydrogen Association Test Lab tested this technology and proved that: "Emissions test results indicate that a decrease of toxic emissions was realized." Again, zero emissions were observed on CO.

- Northern Alberta Institute of Technology. Vehicle subjected to dynamometer loading in controlled conditions showed drastic reduction of emissions and improved horsepower.

- Corrections Canada tested several systems and concluded, "The hydrogen system is a valuable tool in helping Corrections Canada meet the overall Green Plan by: reducing vehicle emissions down to an acceptable level and meeting the stringent emissions standard set out by California and British Columbia; reducing the amount of fuel consumed by increased mileage." ? For their research they granted the C.S.C. Environmental Award.

- We also conducted extensive testing in our facility in order to prove reliability (MTBF, life expectancy, etc.) and determine safety and performance of the components and the entire system. The results of these tests were able to confirm the claims made about this technology: the emissions will be reduced, the horsepower will increase and the fuel consumption will be reduced.
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I think in life we must investigate, test and see by ourself before commenting

For me and friends, it works, we are saving petrol on cars, since more than 3 years already
see our model of onboard electrolyzer at : http://waterfuel.100free.com/own_electrolyser.html

goo luck,
MG

[Sparky345]

No, Stan had changed it later in another patent. The patent stated why he changed it, but, I forget which patent and exactly why he changed it. Stan also was paranoid from previous stolen patents and started to obfuscate his wording and drawings.

Stanley Meyer 1996 claimed to have a water powered car and was also big on mixing Christianity and patriot politics in with fringe science.  Meyer was found guilty of fraud after his Water Fuel Cell was tested before an Ohio  judge.

It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not work, but Meyer's problem was that he had been selling "dealerships", offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell technology. He died in early 1998

FUEL FOR FRAUD OR VICE VERSA? [ON STANLEY MEYER]

From: NEN, Vol. 4, No. 8, December 1996, p. 17.

"End of Road for Car That Ran on Water," London Sunday Times, 1 Dec. 1996.

An Ohio court ruled against inventor Stanley Meyer, in a case brought against him by disgruntled investors recently.

Meyer had sold "dealerships" and licensing rights in his Water Fuel Cell technology to interested investors, in anticipation of the day when it would power electric vehicles or even aircraft.

That dream was shattered as Meyer was found guilty of fraud when his Water Fuel Cell failed to impress three "expert witnesses" who decided there was nothing revolutionary about it, rather that it was simply using conventional electrolysis.

The Sunday Times article also stated that when one of the court experts went to examine the Water Fuel Cell driven car, it was impossible to evaluate because it was not working.

http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm

[Sparky345]

BS.  These little bubble generators do NOTHING.     There is no such thing as "hydrogen enriched gasoline" besides, this little jar and tubing will not "infuse" hydrogen into gasoline.  Plus, it does NOT produce any more than a miniscule amount of HHO, or browns gas for you laymen.

But go ahead and "believe" that you are getting something out of  a 1 molecule of hydrogen per 63,541 cubic feet of air per min mixture if you want to.  Like my grand daddy said, there's a sucker born every minute.