Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[Sparky345]

For me and friends, it works, we are saving petrol on cars, since more than 3 years already
see our model of onboard electrolyzer at : http://waterfuel.100free.com/own_electrolyser.html

goo luck,
MG

Sure it works, at getting suckers to hand over money  to you.

I'll dig around a bit and see if I can find how many of them are looking for you, wanting their money back.
I doubt you'd be willing to list all youre aliases, would you? 

[Gheller J]

Jus received d pics n writeup frm u know who       Gh. J.


I felt it would be better to document these before others waste their time doing the same again.

Pancake Bifilar was made from 1.626mm super enameled magnet wire.

The really long inductors you see there are of rusted soft iron pipes filled with ferrite powder compacted into them (wound with 1.626mm magnet wires).......they didnt work as expected nor did the pancake bifilar.

[Sparky345]

Oh, and don't  misunderstand me,  car engines can run on pure hydrogen, that's not what I'm getting at.
It's small amounts, like 5 % even 25%   which I doubt you could  produce no matter how big you build your "generator". You would need to produce  15,885 cubic feet of HHO gas per min.  That mixture when "mixed" with the fuel/air charge used in cars would be far too lean to ignite when mixed with the other 63,541 cubic feet of air per min. You may as well hook up a water vaporizer instead. SAME THING!


This is why hydrogen fueled cars use liquid hydrogen



As a professional engineer, I can tell you right now that the design for a hydrogen generator you are telling people to build is extremely dangerous.  It is a copy off another persons page which was taken down because of a law suit.

You might want to consider either changing your design so that it is impossible for your plates to become exposed to  the HHO gas as well as the wires leading to the plates.
Should they become loose or overheat while exposed to the gases it will explode, possibly harming even killing someone.

Then you have to collect and compress the gas to get any run time, and that is a whole other operation in which the potential for explosions occurring is very high.  Should you be foolish enough to try, use an old acetylene cylinder to store it.

[Sparky345]

http://waterfuel.100free.com/own_electrolyser.html

No, Hydrogen, or HHO rather, does not "reform" gasoline into a different type of fuel.  It will burn completely independent of the the gasoline/air mixture.

Retarding the timing will cause you to loose all the power from the gasoline, all you will be doing is compensating for the bad engine knock you'll get from the HHO exploding, spitting the unburned water vapor soaked gas out the exaust.  The O2 sensor will detect this and lean out the fuel injectors.

Either run one or the other.

  This isn't a problem with those other little "hydrogen kits' because it doesn't make enough hydrogen to burn.  They make about a pint of gas an hour, while your engine will have pumped through  3,812,460 cubic feet of air/gasoline mixture

[Visual Echo]

I very much want for Stan's work to be verified and commericalized

Maybe 'used' is a better word.  'Commercialized' tends to suggest a standard business model, and most of the positive progress seen with this technology is open source.  I want this to work because I never want to pay for electricity or gasoline again, I'm not trying to sell it or prove it.

Sometimes it's hard to remember that not everything needs a 'solution' you can write into a technical specification or put on a shelf.  Does it matter why door hinges squeak?  Sure, we could write up a 350 page document on why door hinges squeak, and theorize why this particular one does, but does it hold the door closed?  Don't get distracted by proofs and explanations, much more importantly does it work?  Will it do work?  How did you get it to work for you?   Sometime later when our professors realize we're surfing on hydrogen we can get them to help us answer the much less important question, "Why does it work?"  Plenty of time for that LATER.

I agree with you in that I don't care for the way people post sloppy claims and one-sided datum myself.  This isn't a one-sided infomercial, we have to ask ourselves the hard questions.  People could definitely improve their reporting.  It's also hard to take people seriously about combining electronics, metallurgy, and physics when they kant spell rite.

At the moment, I'm trying to find out about three things...
1) What is the brown glop?  I've order two water test kits from some quack lab, I'll get my tap water and the glop tested and we'll see what they say.

Yeah...the bigger tube is higher freq. Counter-intuitive, but correct. The chime freq is related to the inverse of the ratio of the length to diameter. Bigger diameter, same length, higher freq.

THANK YOU.  I thought I was nuts.  I have 7 sets of 2 tubes, all of equal length.  Copied from the invoice, the tubes are:
0.75″ OD x 0.065″ WALL SEAMLESS STAINLESS STEEL TUBE T-316
1.00″ OD x 0.065″ WALL SEAMLESS STAINLESS STEEL TUBE T-316
Each is 12 inches long.  Sampling one set of tubes, the 1 inch outer diameter tube weighs 280 grams and rings a pitch of 1555 Hz, the 3/4 inch outer diameter tube weighs 212 grams and rings a pitch of 1167 Hz.  The larger heavier tube rings a higher pitched tone than the smaller lighter tube.

Okay, so now 2) what's up with that?  I cut slots in the inner tubes?  I've got a great/lazy/stupid idea, why not ignore this and see if the silly tubes really need to be tuned.  Everybody says so, but where's the skepticism?  Nobody questions this?  What happens if I don't?  Then what happens (all other factors exactly the same) if I do?  Maybe go the other way, somebody who's had a resonating watercell running well specifically de-tune a pair of tubes and show what happens.

and 3) Why isn't anybody doing the PLL circuit?  Meyer describes in length a set of circuits which more or less automate gas production (http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92.htm).  I'm trying to work out that PLL circuit and a few of the supporting circuits. I'm about done designing and I have the parts for the breadboarding.  I'm putting my notes and files at http://pyroflatulence.tv/?p=45 , I invite your comments and criticism.  I'm a better programmer than an electronics designer, so I could use the help.  I see adding a microprocessor to this much later for logging and monitoring rather than the raw PLL frequency locking.

The key is the 'pulse pickup coil' in Figure 1 (http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92-1.jpg).  I can either modify store-bought inductors or wrap my own, but for PLL I need that feedback coil.  This is a later patent and isn't that hard to read.  Meyer says, "The ferromagnetic core of the voltage intensifier circuit transformer suppresses electron surge in an out-of-resonance condition of the fuel cell.", so if I can use a small coil like that near either the VIC transformer or the differential mode choke, I can use it to feed back to the PLL circuit, allow it to tune the pulse frequency, and the resonance should tune itself.

Thanks in advance for any assistance, your kind patience and understanding are greatly appreciated.