Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Common sense has never prevailed in ANY case where an attempt has been made to commercialize free energy technology.If you research what happened to Xogen and others you would understand.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm

Tesla died poor and alone too, there are many more cases to show we are not dealing with Normal circumstances , so nothing normal does and will never apply.Just keep that in mind.

This thread if for building and research, not for showing you something you can build and make money off engineers who are testing this, would rather talk shop. You have those issues, fair enough but they are not constructive HERE, only us all building and helping figure out the best way, plus reporting scientifically through replication and validation.

Please stay on topic, you had some interesting ideas of electroplating, i heard this same idea the other day, ill talk about it more later in this thread.

Ash

[LtBolo]

My points about commercialization are simply the reality of how you will accomplish that which you earnestly and reasonably desire. The reality is that you cannot sell technology, only products, and no amount of wishful thinking by well-meaning people will ever change that. My discussion regarding business was not to detract from the goals, but simply to frame my basis of involvement and relative level of credibility. If it were my goal to take away without giving back, I wouldn't be posting at all.

Contrary to your assertion that I stray from the topic, my discussions are at the core of why these efforts have remained fringe for as long as they have. Until and unless there is a greater level of criticism of the claims, and a better effort to understand the successes and point out the failures, you will not progress. I came here specifically to talk shop and would dearly love to be convinced that folks like Ravi did exactly what was claimed. At the end of the day, however, it will be business that transforms that technology into meaningful products that will change the world...like it or not. I am a businessman and will approach this as such. If you or anyone else finds that offensive, I am truly sorry. Rest assured though, my goals are a healthy balance of altruism and ambition, and I hope that folks can accept my input in that spirit.

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

I just showed you 4+ years of energy suppression research of MODERN cases , and how business doesn't cut it. You wouldn't cut it either my friend, go ask, Steven Ryan where his water motor cycle is, many more, i have spoken to him and others personally.

Altruism and ambition , speak about it empirically, it is only through altruism and open source that your here, your privileged to be here and get the research , no one is charging you any thing or doing this so they can. Get smart man, prove it to your self, ,make some technical supportive posts only.

Build it,then believe. Dont give up so easily.

Forget business, no business in the world can get free energy out there, you guys need to sober up.
get the dollar signs out of your eyes. Its only us, the open source community who will beat business, and make you all, obsolete.Thats altruism. energy is a basic HUMAN right, nothing that should be used to make money of another person. You will see this happen in your life time , TRUST ME on that friend

Believe what you want, it is i and others on this board building it, so it is our beliefs that count, understand what i am saying? i hope so. Back on topic for me. too.

Ash

[LtBolo]

Ouch. Pretty bold statements given that you don't know who I am or what kind of resources I have available to me. You guys have made a case as to why business cannot succeed, and yet you claim it is business that has actively suppressed this. Which is it, sir?

I hear so much talk of suppression, and yet I see so few examples of competence that would require suppression. I personally never attribute to conspiracy what I can explain with incompetence.

Give up? Where do you get that from what I've said?

Business become obsolete? Due to the efforts of guys in their garages?!? That's laughable. Everything you use to build your cells or your power supplies or the very PC you are using to demean an absolute stranger with, was designed and manufactured by a business. Deal with it.

You know, if you had actually built and tested a closed loop system, I would gladly accept your criticism. From what I can tell you haven't yet, therefore all I see is arrogance, and arrogance will kill you far faster than ambition. Suppression, indeed.

Clearly my posting was a mistake. I'll keep my opinions to myself...and my results.

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

I dont need to know who you are, i can tell how much you know already. If your not building this and reporting results, then really I personally and i am sure every other engineer here isn't interested.
You wanna chat goto msn.

We are interested in your results if you do, and i think all of us paired together will find the solution.

It not worth my while pointing out the flaws in your counter argument, read my first two posts, thats the best advice i can give you. I will say that ENERGY will not be a business with this technology, at the most, the materials, but not ENERGY. Thats obvious.

Ash