Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[insane4evr]

insane4evr

Okay, the best criteria as stated in the doc, is to do LOW amp conditioning, WHY? The coat is most likely to stick better. The magic number is .02 amps. dont Do high amp conditioning no matter what size tubes.

Still to the one listed in there regardless.
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Thanks for the response.

However, I am confused. Page 18 of the document says to start with 0.5 amp at step 1 up to 3 amps at step 6. In page 20 it mentioned that if you want the best coating to use 0.2 amp and not .02 amp. Maybe response is a typo?

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

No not a typo, this is the best way to condition them, but it takes the longest on .2 amps. Ravi still did low amp conditioning even after he got good gas. So what i suggest for 4 weeks (yes it takes that long) start with the Normal one you described, then and only then after you have no brown gak being produced, try low amp of .2amps when not using your cell  .

Ash

[insane4evr]

No not a typo, this is the best way to condition them, but it takes the longest on .2 amps. Ravi still did low amp conditioning even after he got good gas. So what i suggest for 4 weeks (yes it takes that long) start with the Normal one you described, then and only then after you have no brown gak being produced, try low amp of .2amps when not using your cell  .

Ash

Ahh. Now I understand. Thank you.

[Visual Echo]

Hello!  I'm having some trouble understanding part of the new Ravi design document.  I'm interested in the way the 9 individual bifilar chokes and tubes are connected to the rest of the VIC.

Are all of the chokes and tubes connected in parallel after the VIC diode?  This is how I would assume, but they could each have their own diode, or even their own VIC transformer.

Here is my real problem... I'm trying to recreate the PLL circuit Meyer describes in WO 92/07861.  The PLL chip 'A27' in Figure 7 is a 4046 PLL, the modern equivalent is a 74HC7046 which has the lock detector circuit built into the chip (notice the similarities between Figure 7 and figure 2, page 99 of "The Forrest Mims Circuit Scrapbook: V. 1").

Figure 8 is a 555-timer warbler circuit, like a siren which cycles through frequencies and gets fed to the PLL VCO input when the PLL is not locked.  When the resonance frequency is found and lock is achieved, the logic gates switch out the siren and switch in the PLL phase comparator.  I don't quite understand how the uni-polar transistors work there, so I may experiment with replacing them with logic gates.

Figure 9 processes an additional tap on the VIC coil (labeled "PULSE PICKUP COIIL" in Figure 1), this signal gets cleaned up and fed into the PLL signal input.  According to the WO 92/08761 text, "The ferromagnetic core of the voltage intensifier circuit transformer suppresses electron surge in an out-of-resonance condition of the fuel cell."  This is the key to the PLL feedback signal, but I'm not completely clear on the effect of splitting the VIC into a separate step-up transformer and a bifilar choke.  If the two coils aren't on the same core, I'm not quite sure how this will work.

If I can take a PLL feedback tap another way, like putting the pulse pickup coil on one large choke for a multiple tube cell, instead of using separate chokes per tube, that might work. If I try and make separate chokes for each tube, this would tend to suggest that I need a separate PLL circuit for each tube, which isn't economically feasible or time efficient for me right now.  If I make one big honking 4 inch toroid with all 5 windings... well, that's probably my most logical next step.

I'm building a cell using a Lawton (LM556) circuit, then I'll be breadboarding the PLL circuit.  If that succeeds, I'll probably work out a PCB using Eagle PCB CAD.  I've got a few pictures of the cell posted at the reference below.  Nothing special.

Thanks very much in advance for any insight anyone can provide, I'm having a *LOT* of trouble getting any response from anyone on the topic of PLL integration.

References:
WO 92/07861 ( http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92.htm )
4046 circuit ( http://books.google.com/books?id=STzitya5iwgC&pg=PA99&dq=4046+mims&sig=ACfU3U1_4pFpUe_E8pprcV7ZEZgIkcswNA )
NXP 74HC7046 ( http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/74HC_HCT7046A_CNV_2.pdf )
my own cell ( http://pyroflatulence.tv/?p=46 )

[lefferdink]

Have you seen what our Brothers Down-Under are making?  hydrogenwfc@optusnet.com.au   They have come up with a REStar module wfc-004. This thing has a key pad and much much more.  They also sell everything but the big 18" tube wfc.   Have to re-read it one more time.
The only problem that I have is a bad time burning up my components with a temperature controlled soldering iron. Have set it to 625?F.  Maybe the pencil point on the iron is the wrong type.
Visual Echo: what type of soldering point do you use?